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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    But what if Albanians start mass migrating to places that are not Albanian majority today but were historically? Up until fairly recently, Kosovo was majority Slavic. Not too long ago, Northwestern Macedonia was Slavic majority. IIRC, Albanians became a majority there after the Ottoman Era. And the places where Albanians are a majority is increasing every day (at least in Macedonia). Albanians are a majority in Preshevo and Bujanovac. Should those regions become part of Kosovo? Also, Albanians say that Sanjak Bosniaks are of Albanian origin. Should Sanjak also join Albania?
    If Albanians became a majority in those places then I am not sure.The demographics of Kosovo in the middle ages is very much debatable, certain scholars suggest that the western part always had an Albanian population and that some were Slavicized later on and were counted as Serbs I think that genetics seems to back up the fact that a lot of Kosovar Albanians were in fact in Kosovo before the clans from the highlands migrated there as certain people who belong to those clans actually have different Ydna haplogroups than the average clan member would have, suggesting that they were in fact absorbed into the clan also I find it hard to believe that Kosovo was depopulated before the Slavs came lol. As for in Macedonia, some did become Torbeshi or Bulgarian as shown by certain "Bulgarians" from the regions close to Albania having typical Albanian clades and are close to them in terms of TMRCA although not all were of Albanian origin obviously. Sanxhak Bosniaks definitely have Albanian origin mainly from the Kelmendi, Kuqi and Shkreli clans and Albanians today to believe that Sanxhak is part of ethnic Albania
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Albanians have always been native to northwestern FYROM. Sanxhak Bosniaks largely carry Albanian Gheg y-lineages.

    Interesting that you choose to call it Macedonia, rather than FYROM.
    Which parts of FYROM/Macedonia have they been native to? If they become a majority in Skopje, then will you claim it too? Their numbers seem to be increasing every day.

    Do you also claim Preshevo, Bujanovac, Epirus, Podgorica, etc?

    I don't deny Sanjak Bosniaks have an Albanian origin. But do you claim their territory based off of that?

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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Kosovo is just a small "Ghetto" where Slavs put all remaining Albanians in Western Balkans.

    Western Balkans got cleansed of Albanians by Conquerors in 6th-8th century, and they put those people in Kosovo.

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    Greeks pretend that Macedonia is Greece. So, they dont just want name change, they wanna annex free Macedonia. Now they want to destabilise Macedonia by promoting Albanian rebellion. Macedonia won’t be torn. Beside, Bulgaria declared full support (even their far right groups) for Macedonia, which they consider theirs.
    Greece is now facing Bulgaria + Macedonia. There are also other regional countries which support Macedonia. Bulgaria is EU btw, so Greeks better forget European help.
    If Albos want to destabilise a country, that could be Greece. There is Chameria and.... Arvanitas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptolemy View Post
    Kosovo is just a small "Ghetto" where Slavs put all remaining Albanians in Western Balkans.

    Western Balkans got cleansed of Albanians by Conquerors in 6th-8th century, and they put those people in Kosovo.
    Huno-Avars, Cumans, Goths, Turkics, Bulgars.. Many conquerors... Many to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    If Albanians became a majority in those places then I am not sure.The demographics of Kosovo in the middle ages is very much debatable, certain scholars suggest that the western part always had an Albanian population and that some were Slavicized later on and were counted as Serbs I think that genetics seems to back up the fact that a lot of Kosovar Albanians were in fact in Kosovo before the clans from the highlands migrated there as certain people who belong to those clans actually have different Ydna haplogroups than the average clan member would have, suggesting that they were in fact absorbed into the clan also I find it hard to believe that Kosovo was depopulated before the Slavs came lol. As for in Macedonia, some did become Torbeshi or Bulgarian as shown by certain "Bulgarians" from the regions close to Albania having typical Albanian clades and are close to them in terms of TMRCA although not all were of Albanian origin obviously. Sanxhak Bosniaks definitely have Albanian origin mainly from the Kelmendi, Kuqi and Shkreli clans and Albanians today to believe that Sanxhak is part of ethnic Albania
    I agree that it was probably Albanian (Illyrian) before the Slavs came, but that was way too long ago. Dalmatia was also Illyrian majority if we go back far enough.

    How much of the current crop of Kosovo Albanians descended from post-Ottoman era migrants?

    Immediately before the Ottomans came to the Balkans, was Kosovo Alban or Serb majority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
    Huno-Avars, Cumans, Goths, Turkics, Bulgars.. Many conquerors... Many to fight.
    Slavs defeated Avars and were the final conquerors till this day.

    That includes Montenegrins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    I agree that it was probably Albanian (Illyrian) before the Slavs came, but that was way too long ago. Dalmatia was also Illyrian majority if we go back far enough.

    How much of the current crop of Kosovo Albanians descended from post-Ottoman era migrants?

    Immediately before the Ottomans came to the Balkans, was Kosovo Alban or Serb majority?
    Idk tbh, we would need to test more Kosovar Albanians to actually know how many aren't descended from the highlanders. I would say that the regions of east Kosovo would of had a Serb majority although western Kosovo would have had people who were ethnic Albanians but it can be debated as many Serbs would have migrated into Kosovo when they ruled over it. The Albanian claim to Kosovo is because we are native to the region and because Kosovo still to this day has an Albanian population unlike Dalmatia and other Illyric lands
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Which parts of FYROM/Macedonia have they been native to? If they become a majority in Skopje, then will you claim it too? Their numbers seem to be increasing every day.

    Do you also claim Preshevo, Bujanovac, Epirus, Podgorica, etc?

    I don't deny Sanjak Bosniaks have an Albanian origin. But do you claim their territory based off of that?
    Northern Epirus is already part of Albania. Greek Epirus has no Albanian minority.

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