Why do people defend Serbs?

[Dzihadovic]

So you're glad all those lives were lost for nothing? Glad he took a gamble on people's lives? Partition made the most sense and thousands of people wouldn't have had to die for it.

No? I'm glad he stood against the division of Bosnia.
If lives we're lost for nothing, no one is to blame but those who took them and those who couldn't and wouldn't see a Bosniak victory through.

Do you know the definition of the word force? I'm very ignorant and don't know how someone is forced to do something. He specifically stated the Serbs and Croatians forced him. We know he said it. Please explain how he was forced (twice... yes, twice...) Did they put a gun to his head? Threaten to kill his family? What would happen in Lisbon if he said no instead of saying later he changed his mind?


He was 'forced' because he had no room to negotiate. It's clear from the article - actually, specifically stated - Izetbegovic changed his mind - for the 2nd time - when he felt the US would back him. Perhaps by 'force' he meant he had to compromise or face a losing war and now that he knew for sure the US would back him, which they did politically, he no longer felt forced to compromise.

I'm wasn't talking about the article.

Or, of course, they had a gun to his head...

Or planes ready to perform airstrikes on soldiers.

It's not a conspiracy theory what Zimmerman said to him. It's even implied by what Zimmerman is quoted as saying. It's clear in the news article what the US government wanted. It's specifically stated, in fact.

It is because according to his own words, he never "persuaded Alija to renounce his signature",
‘Drawing on my instructions to support whatever could be worked out between the European Community and the three Bosnian parties, I encouraged Izetbegovic to stick by what he’d agreed to.’

You have to consider the fact Bosniaks were butchering Serbs during WW2 under the fascists and so there wasn't exactly much trust. There was a record of Bosniaks in power committing genocide in the area under the facists. I - like any normal person living in the same situation - wouldn't exactly be comfortable with the idea. In addition Izetbegovic's talk of Islam made them quite nervous.

Oh give me a break.

He would have lost US' support if he continued with the attacks. Obvious is obvious and by obvious I mean if the US supported a successful Bosniak offensive there would be another humanitarian issue to account for and the US would be held partially responsible for it because of the support they had been giving to the Bosniaks. So to go back to the original agreement was the best solution for the US.

We not only would have lost US support we would have faced US airstrikes, as I said.

[Dzihadovic]

Modern Bosniaks (who are acting innocence) forget that their ancestors were the part of brutal Ottoman regime, who
enjoyed all privileges while Orthodoxes had 2nd grate status.

You can't enjoy being "rulling party" for 300-500 years then cry when Orthodox took their revenge by saying "They
are evil, they did that and that"

Just to confirm that, let's look at this picture (First Orthodox Uprising)

Almost all Ottoman Commanders and soldiers were Serbians and Albanians





For example: 1. Sulejman Paša Skopljak (Serbian, Vizier of Belgrade in Sanjak of Smederevo)
2. Hursid Ahmed Paša (Georgian, Grand Vizier of Ottoman Empire)
3. Bekir Paša (Serbian, served in Bosnia)
4. Sinan Paša Sijerčić (Serbian, Ottoman General)
5. Osman Gradaščević (Serbian, Ottoman Captain)
6. Mehmed Beg Kulenović (Serbian, My Neighbour, commanded Ottoman Cavalry)
7. Ibrahim Paša (Ibrahim Bushati - Albanian Commander)
8. Veli Pasa (Greek from Epirus)



I don't know why are muslims ashamed of this?

They just need to accept the fact: It was good while it lasted, now we are Slaves just like Orthodoxes were..

Fortune went in favor of Orthodoxes.... and please don't cry to world to help you..

^^^^Case in point.

Let me make my point even more clear. Even Bosniaks do it.

[itilvolga]

cause they need it

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

What's not to like about Serbians, they seem fun.

[Bosniensis]

What's not to like about Serbians, they seem fun.

Serbs are nice people.

I know them .. I know everything about them.

Don't even try to assume you know anything about them.

They are Orthodoxes, but they have their own unique way of understanding the world and all things.

If I was a Portuguese with this knowledge, I would have never trusted the Serbs about anything.

Europeans have false knowledge about the Serbs, one day that may cost them badly

But I still love them as a nation, even if they caused a lot of harm to muslims out of revenge, well
that was expected.

But they are completely different from other Europeans, just like Jews all completely different from other nations.

[Moje ime]

What's not to like about Serbians, they seem fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqG6jajAaB8

Better example

[Jana]

What have you offered from your journey to wikipedia? Croatians denying it, which is the bulk of your 'evidence.' I see the logic there. Whenever a suspected crime is committed we should always believe on face value the person/persons with the most to lose. Can I refer this to Balkan logic?

The "Serbian denial" is called circumstantial evidence.

The "Nielsen denial" is a Danish fellow who wasn't even there.

The "Canadian denial" doesn't deny that an attacked occurred. You can call it a battle or a skirmish. The fact is the Croatian military attacked Canadian troops. The fact is whether local civilians in the area lived or died depended on those Canadians.

So lets ignore all those Canadian soldiers who - by the way - took photos of dead Serbian civilians killed by Croatian troops that was later used as evidence in court - because they're just silly gooses who got all 'excited' over nothing.

You may not think you're from the Balkans but your tragic 'muh people are good and they are evil.. muh people....' is typical of the Balkan mindset.

Face it you got embarassed, for mentioning some thing that never happened (speaking about ''battle with Canadians'')

Don't try to make rational agrements here, because you know shit about Bosnia, Serbia or Croatia.

Rather go read about Vietnam war.

[Jana]

You are cherrypicking really... Many media only speaking about Serb crimes. In Haag there are no Bosniaks, and minor Croats, while Serbs are massively there.

How many Russians and Americans have been tried in Nuremberg court for crimes against German civilians ? Zero.

There is no splitting the gulit between agressors and victims.

[Moje ime]

Interesting how in this kind of threads there is never distinguish between individual and collective guilt. That would save lot of forum space and much more.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Serbs are nice people.

I know them .. I know everything about them.

Don't even try to assume you know anything about them.

They are Orthodoxes, but they have their own unique way of understanding the world and all things.

If I was a Portuguese with this knowledge, I would have never trusted the Serbs about anything.

Europeans have false knowledge about the Serbs, one day that may cost them badly

But I still love them as a nation, even if they caused a lot of harm to muslims out of revenge, well
that was expected.

But they are completely different from other Europeans, just like Jews all completely different from other nations.

Why would Portuguese people have anything against Serbians? Why shouldn't I trust Serbian people and trust you or the words of others that spend their time vilifying Serbians?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqG6jajAaB8

Better example

Yes, I really like Serbian brass bands\music. The sound is kinda familiar to me as it reminds me of bullfighting music.