Why do people defend Serbs?

[Norka]

They removed kebab my guess is Euros don't like kebabs. For me all Balkans looks like Turks

[Bosniensis]

They removed kebab my guess is Euros don't like kebabs. For me all Balkans looks like Turks

Turan sperm everywhere




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[Dzihadovic]

You're referring to the video I posted. I don't think you paid attention to the video. There wouldn't have been a war if Alija Izetbegović had accepted the resolution that was offered, which, by the way, was basically the same resolution at the end of the war. That's not a defense of anyone. It's an objective fact.

Exactly defending the Serbs by deflecting blame for the war to Bosnians. How is that not defense.
He shouldn't have accepted either resolution. And there is a case to be made that he was forced into accepting Dayton.

[Dzihadovic]

^^^^Case in point.

Let me make my point even more clear. Even Bosniaks do it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Exactly defending the Serbs by deflecting blame for the war to Bosnians. How is that not defense.
He shouldn't have accepted either resolution. And there is a case to be made that he was forced into accepting Dayton.

You are cherrypicking really... Many media only speaking about Serb crimes. In Haag there are no Bosniaks, and minor Croats, while Serbs are massively there.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Exactly defending the Serbs and deflecting blame for the war to Bosnians. How is that not defense.

It's a question of facts. We know for a fact that a resolution was offered and that it had been accepted by Alija Izetbegović. We know he later rejected it. He signed it and then went back on his word. The results were many deaths and basically the same result there would have been if he had stuck to the agreement but without all the deaths

He shouldn't have accepted either resolution. And there is a case to be made that he was forced into accepting Dayton.

Forced by who? We're speaking of facts here. We're not speaking of assumptions that we hope are true. Facts and credentials, I should say. The Canadian ambassador at the time has more credibility than a random internet persona.

[Marmara]

First of all, such thing definetly exists and i've seen it quite a lot.

Serbs are Christians and Bosniaks are Muslims, that's why European right wing does not put any blame on Serbians.

[Marmara]

If Srebrenica massacre was committed against Serbs by Bosniaks we would definetly hear about it a lot more.

[Jana]

I think what should be discussed is why the Canadian and Western media ignored the Croatian army attacking Canadian troops. It was completely ignored.



The more you look into the Balkan wars the angrier one should be towards NATO. It wasn't black or white.

Yes, right.....(the phantom battle that never happened)

Croatian denial[edit]
According to Domazet Lošo (retired admiral), colonel Vagn Ove Moebjerg Nielsen, news sites, official documents and other types of sources,[39][40][41][42][43][44] there is no single evidence, report, document or a statement about "The biggest Canadian battle since Korean War" as well as from either of these resources:

- UNPROFOR Sector South HQ

- UNPROFOR HQ Croatia

- CANBAT HQ

- CANBAT soldiers statements in September 1993.[45]

- CANBAT Commander Jim Calvin statement in September 1993.[46]

- FREBAT HQ

- UN Military observers

- UN Civil police

- UN Security Councile[47]

- Serb HQ, field units or intelligence

- Croat HQ, field units or intelligence

- Human rights watch and similar organisations

- US State department[48]

Among all of these, there is only a mention the incident, reporting "minor incident" as sporadical firefight or few shootouts. Serbs also do not mention "the battle" in their own view of operation Medak pocket.[49]

Of its 875 soldiers (2PPCLI) , only 375 came from the regular unit: the rest were augmentees, 385 militia citizen soldiers and 165 from other regular force units. In fact, reserve soldiers made up 70% of rifle company strength during the mission due to the requirement for highly skilled and experienced regular soldiers in support and technical trade positions . This includes 7 out of the 12 platoon commanders who came from militia battalions as Reserve Entry Scheme Officers (RESO). Nevertheless the 2 PPCLI Battlegroup in Croatia contained the highest concentration of reserve soldiers on an operational mission to date.[50]

"There was no time to properly exercise the companies, let alone the whole battalion...No one could know that the 2 PPCLI platoons would be called upon to gel together and go into action as a full battalion."[50]

Alpha and Bravo Companies, arrived in the area (Sector South's Medak Pocket) from Sector West on September 7, 1993, just 48 hours before the Croatian offensive started.[50]

"UNPROFOR have been successful in the first 24 hours of the mission. After a few difficulties they managed to cross the crossing point onto the Croatian side and the first company moved into the front lines of the Croatian forces. The Croatians then withdrew so within two and a half hours there was a buffer zone in place. There has been sporadic fire at UNPROFOR from the Croatian side."

— Colonel Jim Calvin, UNTV 1993-09-17[46]
UNTV reports (1993-09-18) on the actions of CANBAT and CIVPOL after UNPROFOR had successfully crossed Croatian lines to set up a buffer between Croatian and Serbian forces in the Medak pocket. Includes interviews with civilians caught up in the recent Croatian offensive.[45]

In an interview with three CANBAT soldiers they explain that they arrived 48 hours ago and that their task was to observe the area and take up a position on the earth embankment fifty metres from where they had first come in between the opposing sides. They explain that in process of replacing the Serb lines, they came under direct and indirect fire from the Croatian lines and, following the UNPROFOR rules of engagement, they did return fire but with small arms only. The soldiers say that there were no casualties on their side, that the Serbs have a couple of casualties, and they have no knowledge of any Croatian casualties.[45]

Major-general Petar Stipetić, "categorically rejected any insinuations of an armed conflict between Croatian troops and the UN in the Medak Pocket", although, he mentioned an incident on second day of Croatian withdrawal when French transporter got stuck in a minefield for which Croatian commander ordered his engineers and medical corps to salvage the French.[18]

In 2002 the Croatian newspaper Nacional published a report claiming that "the armed conflict between the Croatian and Canadian forces in operation Medak Pocket from 9 to 17 September 1993 never happened" and that the Canadians had fired "no more than a couple of shots into the night."[51] The same newspaper also claims that the autopsy on Croatian soldiers killed during the battle, revealed that none of them died from the weapons that Canadians had in their arsenal at the Medak Pocket.[52] Retired Croatian admiral Davor Domazet-Lošo, testifying at 2007 trial of general Mirko Norac, commanding officer of the 9th Guards Brigade in September 1993, and general Rahim Ademi, commanding officer of the Gospić military district at the time, denied Canadian claims of scale of the armed conflict with UNPROFOR and 26 Croatian fatalities resulting from the battle. He went on to say that he wonders if the 26 victims were Serbs since the claim of 26 killed Croats was not true. This was denied by Calvin,[53] and decorated Canadian Army veterans who served at Medak.[citation needed] For their part, the Croatian authorities, both civil and military, during the aftermath of the skirmish with the UN forces and in the years that followed, have never stated that any serious battle with UNPROFOR forces in the Medak area ever occurred and claim that the Canadian forces' version of events is politically motivated.[citation needed] Domazet also invited Canadian side to show where are the graves of 26 Croatian soldiers "that they killed in non existing clash for which they received 800 medals".[54]

Miroslav Međimorec in his paper Medak Pocket: Canadian Interpretation - Canadian Sources, concluded that Canadian "soldiers accounts" are filled with event's excitement, "are contradicted by the nature of the firefights" and that they usually come down to bare bragging instead of speaking of the real witnessed event. He concludes that "only by bragging could that "scuffle" turn into a fierce dramatic battle in which everything depended on Canadian courage and military capability." [55]

Serbian denial[edit]
Croatian author Miroslav Međimorec was gained insight into the battle reports of ARSK 3rd Motorised Brigade (3. mtb) that was stationed near the Canadian UNPROFOR forces on 16th and 17th of September 1993. The reports, although written in confusing manner, mention only occasional provocations coming from Croatian side in this period, to which the Serb side answered with small arms fire. The author concluded that the clash between Croatian forces and the UN either wasn't fierce enough to be mentioned by the person writing the report or it didn't happened al all.[33]

Nielsen denial[edit]
Retired Royal Danish Army colonel Vagn Ove Moebjerg Nielsen, UNPROFOR commanding officer in the area at the time, but who was not present for the battle, testifying at the Ademi–Norac trial, denied that there was any armed conflict between the Canadian and Croatian troops except for a single incident when the Canadians deployed in front of Serb-held positions. Croatian Army fired shots, but the Canadians did not return fire. He added that the firing stopped when Croats realized that they are engaging the UN force.[56]

Canadian denial[edit]
Some Canadian analysts wrote that the skirmish between Croatian and Canadian troops can't be called a real battle, especially if perceived through western standards in which the opposing sides are attached by fire and movement. Croats took no sweeping tank thrusts or infantry movements in order to overtake the ground held by the UN. Skirmish can only be perceived as a battle by what they call "The Balkan Standards" in which the opposing side is forced to abandon their positions under pressure from heavy fire, adding the fact that five of the Charlie company's men were reservists for who this skirmish was "a real war".[12]

In Canada, the event has been referred to as "Canada's secret battle".[57][58] The Medak Pocket was an event that challenged the skill and discipline of an army that had not deployed formed units to fight in a full-scale battle for almost 40 years.[59] Military analysts have since written extensively of the effects the battle at Medak Pocket has had on the Canadian military, including the management of public information regarding the battle, and both the Canadian military's and the Canadian public's perception of what "peacekeepers" were trained to do. The battle did not gain widespread public attention in Canada at the time.[59][60]

[Dick]

First of all, such thing definetly exists and i've seen it quite a lot.

Serbs are Christians and Bosniaks are Muslims, that's why European right wing does not put any blame on Serbians.

It seems to bother you. Why? you're a Turk and have nothing to do with Bosnia.