Turkish & Greek Y - DNA map

[chyyris]

That is Rubbish posted by a Polish poster.

It does not matter, but the fact is that M458 is the most dominant branch of total Greek R1a.
Logically R1a and I2a1b are the strongest in Greeks Macedonia, because 100 years ago in that region there was a lot of Slavs. Some afe them are helenized, and some migrated in Yugoslavia and Bulgaria.

[Lavrentis]

Yes the Greeks did have colonies in Ukraine or the Black See coast of Ukraine.
But the original homeland of the Slavs was far away from the Black See coast, but somewhere between the borders of modern day Belarus, Poland and Ukraine.
They never had contacts with the Greeks before their first mentioning as Sclaviane, around the 6th century AD.

I agree, I never claimed that the ancient Greeks somehow influenced the proto-Slavs. I said that in my opinion, a lot of R1a in Greece could have been brought by the early Indo-Europeans.


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[wvwvw]

It does not matter, but the fact is that M458 is the most dominant branch of total Greek R1a.
Logically R1a and I2a1b are the strongest in Greeks Macedonia, because 100 years ago in that region there was a lot of Slavs. Some afe them are helenized, and some migrated in Yugoslavia and Bulgaria.

There are no peer studies that shows that.

[Tauromachos]

Lol masturbating on the 1%-19% of R1a in Greece

[Hudayar]

Very interesting map. Wish we could learn about the unknown haplogroups though.

[Kelmendasi]

No, J2 and E-V13 came later. Neolithic farmers were not J2. J2's were bronze age invaders from Transcaucasia and did not speak IE languages.

Not necessarily, the oldest J2 sample in Europe is from Neolithic Hungary and the oldest E-V13 sample is from Neolithic Spain so it is clear that these haplogroups did come in the Neolithic even if they were a minority among the Neolithic farmers that expanded from Anatolia and into Europe. Yes some J2 clades did expand during the Bronze Age, some were absorbed by PIE peoples and joined them in their expansion such an example is J2b2-L283

[Kelmendasi]

Terrible logic, people were not as mixed as today back then, R men were the speakers of IE languages, J and R men are completely unrelated, so it's impossible for them to speak same language family.

It's assumed they were speaking Northwest Caucasian languages related to Circassian (not Kartvelian/Georgian)

What i'm speaking might be bullshit, not very reliable. Etruscans were speaking a language isolate and they are a candidate for original J2 men.

Yes J2 peoples were speaking a language linked to that of the CHG one considering that J is a CHG related haplogroup and evolved around the Caucasus area, but some did accompany R1 peoples and did speak a PIE language, this is shown by how R1b-Z2103 was found with J2b*