Illyrian Dalmatia

[A_Magnus7]

Why Croatian (those who lives in Dalmatia) deny their Illyrian ancestry? They can’t do it, Illyrian populated Dalmatia already in 1100/1200 BC, during the Roman Empire occupation of Dalmatia the Illyrian Dalmatian got Romanized, so they divided from the rest of Southern Illyrian like Albanian, they started speaking a language derived from Latin, the Dalmatian. Slavs and Avars arrived in the Balkan around 600/650 AD they looted the Illyrian Romanized cities in the Cost of Dalmatia but they didn’t occupy them, they just occupy the outback. They were part of the Croatian Kingdom but they always supported us Venetian when we start to navigate and trade there. Cities like Zara, Ragusa, Spalato were full of Illyrian Romanized. We conquered Zara twice and helped them, also Ragusa but in 1358 we lost it, in 1382 the Illyrian of Ragusa founded the Republic of Ragusa, an Illyrian country, it lasted until 1808 and they used to speak the Dalmatian language. The rest of Dalmatia was sell to us from Hungarian in 1409 and we keep it until 1797. The facts really change with the Austrian-Hungarian domination on the XIX century with the Slavization of Dalmatia and Istria ofc also Trieste and Gorizia territories, it continued in Dalmatian territories also during Yugoslavian Kingdom and after in Istria too with Tito’s era.
So yeah why deny all of that because of just less than 200 years of Slavization?

[Decius]

Croats and Bosniaks are mainly Slavic genetically. Serbs, Bulgarians, Macedonians are more Thracian/Illyrian then Croats

[chyyris]

Croats and Bosniaks are mainly Slavic genetically. Serbs, Bulgarians, Macedonians are more Thracian/Illyrian then Croats

Is this based on some genetic evidence?

[Decius]

Is this based on some genetic evidence?

Yep, If you look at typical GEDMatch results croats are north of serbs and others and plot closer to northern slavs.

[chyyris]

Yep, If you look at typical GEDMatch results croats are north of serbs and others and plot closer to northern slavs.

Nobody don't know which haplogroups Illyrians and Thracians had, because there is no genetic research of any Illyrian and Thracian necropolises.

[Decius]

Nobody don't know which haplogroups Illyrians and Thracians had, because there is no genetic research of any Illyrian and Thracian necropolises.

Most likely Neolithic haplos for the most part but I guess it depends in which time. I was speaking in terms of autosomal dna

[CommonSense]

Why Croatian (those who lives in Dalmatia) deny their Illyrian ancestry? They can’t do it, Illyrian populated Dalmatia already in 1100/1200 BC, during the Roman Empire occupation of Dalmatia the Illyrian Dalmatian got Romanized, so they divided from the rest of Southern Illyrian like Albanian, they started speaking a language derived from Latin, the Dalmatian. Slavs and Avars arrived in the Balkan around 600/650 AD they looted the Illyrian Romanized cities in the Cost of Dalmatia but they didn’t occupy them, they just occupy the outback. They were part of the Croatian Kingdom but they always supported us Venetian when we start to navigate and trade there. Cities like Zara, Ragusa, Spalato were full of Illyrian Romanized. We conquered Zara twice and helped them, also Ragusa but in 1358 we lost it, in 1382 the Illyrian of Ragusa founded the Republic of Ragusa, an Illyrian country, it lasted until 1808 and they used to speak the Dalmatian language. The rest of Dalmatia was sell to us from Hungarian in 1409 and we keep it until 1797. The facts really change with the Austrian-Hungarian domination on the XIX century with the Slavization of Dalmatia and Istria ofc also Trieste and Gorizia territories, it continued in Dalmatian territories also during Yugoslavian Kingdom and after in Istria too with Tito’s era.
So yeah why deny all of that because of just less than 200 years of Slavization?

You're mistaken. Dalmatians have considered themselves Slavic far longer than you think. It wasn't in Russia or Poland or Czechia where pan-slavism started, it was the Dalmatians who lit the fuse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavism

When the Austrians took over, only a small minority had a romance identity and that was only because of Venetian influence.

[wvwvw]

Why? Because it’s cooler to be Croats. At least they can trace their roots directly to the early Slavic tribes that arrived to Croatia.

[A_Magnus7]

You're mistaken. Dalmatians have considered themselves Slavic far longer than you think. It wasn't in Russia or Poland or Czechia where pan-slavism started, it was the Dalmatians who lit the fuse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavism

When the Austrians took over, only a small minority had a romance identity and that was only because of Venetian influence.

Yeah I know we had many Slavs too in Dalmatia, we hosted also Serbian and Croatian from the outback that was escaping from Ottomans, but those Illyrian who lived in the Republic of Ragusa? Too feew to resist the Slavization probably
Woah I didn’t know that about Pan-Slavism in Dalmatia, theories were write here in Venice too from them, I’m reading about it, interesting as well

[CommonSense]

Yeah I know we had many Slavs too in Dalmatia, we hosted also Serbian and Croatian from the outback that was escaping from Ottomans, but those Illyrian who lived in the Republic of Ragusa? Too feew to resist the Slavization probably
Woah I didn’t know that about Pan-Slavism in Dalmatia, theories were write here in Venice too from them, I’m reading about it, interesting as well

The most famous of those writers was Mavro Orbin. He actually conducted his research in Italian libraries, though mostly in Pesaro where he published his book 1601. and it was published in Italian so he could introduce Slavic history to a much wider audience. His The Realm of the Slavs (Il Regno de gli Slavi) was the role-model for the first modern histories of the South Slavic peoples and since it extensively describes the history of medieval Slavic states in the Balkans and was written using sources that are now lost to us, it is still used and analised today by local historians who specialise in the Middle Ages.