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    Default Ancient Sicilian sample from 2500-1900 BC from Bell Beaker study: what does this imply?

    2500-1900 BC sample

    https://www.nature.com/articles/natu...M0GfBq0hmKQSEw

    See the PCA here. The Sicilian sample is noticeably Levant-shifted next to North Italy and the other Bell Beaker samples of that era, but further from the Levant than modern Sicilians would be, in my view.

    This does not imply to me that the Near Eastern input in Sicily is all prehistoric, rather that some of it is due to a combination of Phoenicians, Carthaginians, Jews, and the Arab conquest, while SOME of it is ancient (as you can see here).



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    Russians from Vologda(East part) and Mordovians similar to CWC

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    I cannot tell without seeing where modern Sicilians would plot but it seems that ancient ones (this person would have been pre-Phoenician, pre-Greek, pre-Arab and pre-Norman) already had some noticeable shift rightward on the plot toward the Middle East, especially compared to other Bell Beaker samples.

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    Modern Sicilians are already there. See yellow circle:



    This Ancient Sicilian sample is pretty much an Anatolian Neolithic sample.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightrider+ View Post
    Modern Sicilians are already there. See yellow circle:



    This Ancient Sicilian sample is pretty much an Anatolian Neolithic sample.

    So the Sicilian sample falls in line more or less with Mycenaeans, if not slightly shifted toward Anatolia Neolithic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    So the Sicilian sample falls in line more or less with Mycenaeans, if not slightly shifted toward Anatolia Neolithic.
    Let's say it's close to the two less Caucasus-shifted Mycenaeans but even less Caucasus-shifted. Also close to Minoans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightrider+ View Post
    Let's say it's close to the two less Caucasus-shifted Mycenaeans but even less Caucasus-shifted. Also close to Minoans.
    It's not just a matter of Caucasian shift to me... the Sicilian sample has no Steppe according to the paper. The Mycenaeans had about 10%.

    So really it could be Mycenaeans without Steppe input. It looks like Sicilians today are like this sample but more Caucasus-shifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightrider+ View Post
    Let's say it's close to the two less Caucasus-shifted Mycenaeans but even less Caucasus-shifted. Also close to Minoans.
    Minoans didn't have a Levantine shift
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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    Minoans didn't have a Levantine shift
    They do relative to other Europeans of the era as does this Sicilian, but significant Levantine input by modern standards, no to both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    They do relative to other Europeans of the era as does this Sicilian, but significant Levantine input by modern standards, no to both.
    Anatolian not Levantine
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