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    Amazing results

    Thanks Leto for all the work on this section

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragan Ciobanu View Post
    Why are you ignoring the Caucasus?


    Northcaucasians in Russia are like Latinos/Cholos in USA and Leto is a local white anglo-saxon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Agreed 100%.

    Let's add his MDLP World results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Asian 31.5
    2 North_Asian 24.42

    3 North_and_East_European 13.93
    4 Caucaus_Parsia 12.13
    5 South_and_West_European 8.21
    6 Indian 3.72
    7 Arctic_Amerind 2.89
    8 Middle_East 2.11
    9 Mesoamerican 1.1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kazakh 4.6
    2 Karakalpak 6.39
    3 Kyrgyz 8.11
    4 Altaic 12.34
    5 Uygur 13.04
    6 Nivhi 14.12
    7 Hakas 14.37
    8 Shor 16.6
    9 Hazara 16.66
    10 Kalmyk 18.29
    11 Mongol 19.77
    12 Uzbek 20.04
    13 Buryat 22.32
    14 Bashkir 22.64
    15 Tuva 25.35
    16 Tatar_Lithuania 27.92
    17 Turkmen 32.3
    18 Nogai 33.55
    19 Oroqen 34.69
    20 Mongola 34.75
    Bashkirs are the transitional group between Kazakhs and Tatars. I was curious to see how he would score against them. Closer to them than to Tatars, but still very distant. He's even closer to Hazaras than to Bashkirs and about as close to Buryats as to them.
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    All Kazakhs are Mongols

    Just to remind that Up to 19th century Kazakh rulers were "Gengishid" or "Borjigin" Their blood is from Chagatay Horde and Golden Horde (Sons of Genghis Khan)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon Revival View Post
    It is less so when you include other intermediary groups like Bashkirs and Nogays (also Kypchak speaking).

    And as explained, you can't just use these straight geographic patterns with nomads. Uzbeks and Uyghurs are far more eastern than Kazakhs yet they're still more West Eurasian genetically than them.
    There's a result with Bashkirs in it. He's VERY distant to Bashkirs and even closer to Hazaras than to them.

    Tatars are significantly closer to Serbs than to Kazakhs. Really a completely separate dimension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Agreed 100%.

    Let's add his MDLP World results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Asian 31.5
    2 North_Asian 24.42

    3 North_and_East_European 13.93
    4 Caucaus_Parsia 12.13
    5 South_and_West_European 8.21
    6 Indian 3.72
    7 Arctic_Amerind 2.89
    8 Middle_East 2.11
    9 Mesoamerican 1.1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kazakh 4.6
    2 Karakalpak 6.39
    3 Kyrgyz 8.11
    4 Altaic 12.34
    5 Uygur 13.04
    6 Nivhi 14.12
    7 Hakas 14.37
    8 Shor 16.6
    9 Hazara 16.66
    10 Kalmyk 18.29
    11 Mongol 19.77
    12 Uzbek 20.04
    13 Buryat 22.32
    14 Bashkir 22.64
    15 Tuva 25.35
    16 Tatar_Lithuania 27.92
    17 Turkmen 32.3
    18 Nogai 33.55
    19 Oroqen 34.69
    20 Mongola 34.75
    He seem to be around 36.38% Caucasoid from adding up Western components although the Indian might hide a bit more Caucasoid alleles. Where in Kazakhstan is he from? Also I heard of ethnic Kazakhs in Xinjiang and Mongolia, wondering would they be more Mongoloid than the ones in Kazakhstan?

    Also I have this interesting result, I think she is Mongolian as she scores similar East Asian and Siberian/North Asian ancestry to the other Mongols but Im not sure if she is from Outer Mongolia or from China. Another thing is she is at least 94 to 95% Mong which is more East Eurasian than the Mongols from Mongolia. Should I show you the results and can you tell whether she is from Mongolia or Northern China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    He seem to be around 36.38% Caucasoid from adding up Western components although the Indian might hide a bit more Caucasoid alleles. Where in Kazakhstan is he from? Also I heard of ethnic Kazakhs in Xinjiang and Mongolia, wondering would they be more Mongoloid than the ones in Kazakhstan?

    Also I have this interesting result, I think she is Mongolian as she scores similar East Asian and Siberian/North Asian ancestry to the other Mongols but Im not sure if she is from Outer Mongolia or from China. Another thing is she is at least 94 to 95% Mong which is more East Eurasian than the Mongols from Mongolia. Should I show you the results and can you tell whether she is from Mongolia or Northern China?
    Don't know where specifically he is from.
    No, honestly I know little about Mongol variations. But perhaps the Chinese ones are mixed with Han or something like that. Buryats are slightly more mongoloid than Khalkha Mongols too. They are close to 90% or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    I've posted an Uzbek and an Afghan before. This is another non-European person with a lot of Steppe-related ancestry. He's like 1/3 Scythian

    Y-DNA: N1c1
    mtDNA: M9a3a

    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Siberian 34.97
    2 East_Asian 21.62
    3 West_Asian 12.86
    4 Baltic 12.16
    5 North_Atlantic 8.6

    6 South_Asian 4.6
    7 Amerindian 2.69
    8 West_Med 1.33
    9 Northeast_African 0.75
    10 East_Med 0.21
    11 Oceanian 0.16
    12 Red_Sea 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kazakh 2.75
    2 Kirgiz 6.37
    3 Hakas 12.94
    4 Shors 13.16
    5 Altaian 15.34
    6 Hazara 16.5
    7 Uygur 17.44
    8 Uzbeki 17.61
    9 Afghan_Turkmen 19.1
    10 Mongolian 19.41
    11 Aghan_Hazara 20.39
    12 Tuvinian 24.69
    13 Buryat 28.34
    14 Nogay 30.53
    15 Ket 33.19
    16 Tatar 35.5
    17 Mari 35.84
    18 Selkup 36.28
    19 Afghan_Tadjik 37.38
    20 Chuvash 37.47


    MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Siberian 31.22
    2 SouthEastAsian 23.42
    3 Caucasian 10.95
    4 NorthEastEuropean 8.64
    5 Indian 7.12
    6 Steppe 6.77
    7 Neolithic 4.79
    8 Amerindian 4.41
    9 Arctic 2.03
    10 NorthAfrican 0.66

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kazakh (Tien_Shan) 4.38
    2 Kazakh (CentralKazakhstan) 5.18

    3 Kyrgyz (Murgab) 6.6
    4 Kazakh (Kazakhstan) 6.75
    5 Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) 7.33
    6 Kyrgyz (Alichur) 7.67
    7 Karakalpak (Karakalpakstan) 8.24
    8 Kyrgyz (Naryn) 8.51
    9 Kyrgyz (Tong) 8.83
    10 Hakas (Khakassia) 11.01
    11 Altaian (Altai) 11.89
    12 Uygur (Uzbekistan) 13.09
    13 Hazara (Baluchistan) 13.16
    14 Uygur (Xinjiang) 13.33
    15 Shor (Kemerovo) 14.73
    16 Mongolian (Mongolia) 15.36
    17 Bashkir (Muradymovo) 16.45
    18 Kalmyk (Kalmykia) 16.62
    19 Bashkir (Ufa) 17.6
    20 Turkmen (Shumanay) 17.66


    Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Asian 30.37
    2 Siberian 25.56
    3 North_European 16.34
    4 Gedrosia 9.36
    5 Caucasus 7.61
    6 Atlantic_Med 3.91
    7 Southeast_Asian 3.52
    8 South_Asian 3.1
    9 Southwest_Asian 0.22

    1 54.9% Uygur (HGDP) + 45.1% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 6.03
    2 67.4% Uygur (HGDP) + 32.6% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 6.73


    HarappaWorld Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE-Asian 28.35
    2 Siberian 24.54
    3 NE-Euro 15.5
    4 Baloch 9.95
    5 Caucasian 7.58
    6 Beringian 4.55
    7 S-Indian 3.48
    8 Mediterranean 3.46
    9 American 1.39
    10 SE-Asian 0.75
    11 Papuan 0.33
    12 SW-Asian 0.12

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kazakh (harappa) 5.11
    2 kyrgyz (xing) 8.29
    3 kyrgyz (hodoglugil) 9.16
    4 uyghur (hgdp) 13.32
    5 hazara (hgdp) 13.95
    6 uzbek (behar) 15.34
    7 altaian (rasmussen) 15.99
    8 mongolian (rasmussen) 19.48
    9 tuvinian (rasmussen) 27.17
    10 buryat (xing) 28.66
    11 buryat (rasmussen) 30.34
    12 oroqen (hgdp) 32.27
    13 nogai (yunusbayev) 34.36
    14 daur (hgdp) 35.35
    15 hezhen (hgdp) 35.85
    16 yukaghir (rasmussen) 36.03
    17 tajik (yunusbayev) 36.16
    18 turkmen (yunusbayev) 36.31
    19 nepalese-b (xing) 36.41
    20 mongola (hgdp) 36.46
    Great find mind sharing the kit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    I've posted an Uzbek and an Afghan before. This is another non-European person with a lot of Steppe-related ancestry. He's like 1/3 Scythian

    Y-DNA: N1c1
    mtDNA: M9a3a

    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Siberian 34.97
    2 East_Asian 21.62
    3 West_Asian 12.86
    4 Baltic 12.16
    5 North_Atlantic 8.6

    6 South_Asian 4.6
    7 Amerindian 2.69
    8 West_Med 1.33
    9 Northeast_African 0.75
    10 East_Med 0.21
    11 Oceanian 0.16
    12 Red_Sea 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kazakh 2.75
    2 Kirgiz 6.37
    3 Hakas 12.94
    4 Shors 13.16
    5 Altaian 15.34
    6 Hazara 16.5
    7 Uygur 17.44
    8 Uzbeki 17.61
    9 Afghan_Turkmen 19.1
    10 Mongolian 19.41
    11 Aghan_Hazara 20.39
    12 Tuvinian 24.69
    13 Buryat 28.34
    14 Nogay 30.53
    15 Ket 33.19
    16 Tatar 35.5
    17 Mari 35.84
    18 Selkup 36.28
    19 Afghan_Tadjik 37.38
    20 Chuvash 37.47


    MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Siberian 31.22
    2 SouthEastAsian 23.42
    3 Caucasian 10.95
    4 NorthEastEuropean 8.64
    5 Indian 7.12
    6 Steppe 6.77
    7 Neolithic 4.79
    8 Amerindian 4.41
    9 Arctic 2.03
    10 NorthAfrican 0.66

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kazakh (Tien_Shan) 4.38
    2 Kazakh (CentralKazakhstan) 5.18

    3 Kyrgyz (Murgab) 6.6
    4 Kazakh (Kazakhstan) 6.75
    5 Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) 7.33
    6 Kyrgyz (Alichur) 7.67
    7 Karakalpak (Karakalpakstan) 8.24
    8 Kyrgyz (Naryn) 8.51
    9 Kyrgyz (Tong) 8.83
    10 Hakas (Khakassia) 11.01
    11 Altaian (Altai) 11.89
    12 Uygur (Uzbekistan) 13.09
    13 Hazara (Baluchistan) 13.16
    14 Uygur (Xinjiang) 13.33
    15 Shor (Kemerovo) 14.73
    16 Mongolian (Mongolia) 15.36
    17 Bashkir (Muradymovo) 16.45
    18 Kalmyk (Kalmykia) 16.62
    19 Bashkir (Ufa) 17.6
    20 Turkmen (Shumanay) 17.66


    Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Asian 30.37
    2 Siberian 25.56
    3 North_European 16.34
    4 Gedrosia 9.36
    5 Caucasus 7.61
    6 Atlantic_Med 3.91
    7 Southeast_Asian 3.52
    8 South_Asian 3.1
    9 Southwest_Asian 0.22

    1 54.9% Uygur (HGDP) + 45.1% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 6.03
    2 67.4% Uygur (HGDP) + 32.6% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 6.73


    HarappaWorld Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE-Asian 28.35
    2 Siberian 24.54
    3 NE-Euro 15.5
    4 Baloch 9.95
    5 Caucasian 7.58
    6 Beringian 4.55
    7 S-Indian 3.48
    8 Mediterranean 3.46
    9 American 1.39
    10 SE-Asian 0.75
    11 Papuan 0.33
    12 SW-Asian 0.12

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kazakh (harappa) 5.11
    2 kyrgyz (xing) 8.29
    3 kyrgyz (hodoglugil) 9.16
    4 uyghur (hgdp) 13.32
    5 hazara (hgdp) 13.95
    6 uzbek (behar) 15.34
    7 altaian (rasmussen) 15.99
    8 mongolian (rasmussen) 19.48
    9 tuvinian (rasmussen) 27.17
    10 buryat (xing) 28.66
    11 buryat (rasmussen) 30.34
    12 oroqen (hgdp) 32.27
    13 nogai (yunusbayev) 34.36
    14 daur (hgdp) 35.35
    15 hezhen (hgdp) 35.85
    16 yukaghir (rasmussen) 36.03
    17 tajik (yunusbayev) 36.16
    18 turkmen (yunusbayev) 36.31
    19 nepalese-b (xing) 36.41
    20 mongola (hgdp) 36.46
    MDLP K23b Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Tungus-Altaic 26.81
    2 East_Siberian 13.6
    3 South_East_Asian 10.59

    4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.6
    5 Caucasian 9.56
    6 South_Central_Asian 7.94
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 6.53

    8 Austronesian 4.59
    9 South_Indian 2.86
    10 Paleo_Siberian 2.23
    11 Amerindian 1.99

    12 European_Early_Farmers 1.68
    13 Arctic 1.03
    14 North_African 0.44
    15 East_African 0.3
    16 Archaic_African 0.25

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kazahs ( ) 4.24
    2 Kazakh ( ) 7.74
    3 Kyrgyz_Bishkek ( ) 8.96
    4 Kyrgyz ( ) 12.2
    5 Tatar-Siberian ( ) 12.95
    6 Karakalpak ( ) 13.27
    7 Hazara ( ) 13.45
    8 Uygur ( ) 13.57
    9 Uygur-Han ( ) 15.99
    10 Uzbek ( ) 18.56
    11 Altaian ( ) 19.55
    12 Bashkir ( ) 19.63
    13 Turkmen_Afghan ( ) 20.03
    14 Hakas ( ) 20.82
    15 Mongolian ( ) 21.39
    16 Kalmyk ( ) 21.43
    17 Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) 21.6
    18 Even ( ) 23.31
    19 Yukagir_Forest ( ) 24.02
    20 Tuvinian ( ) 24.4

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 93.3% Kazahs ( ) + 6.7% Mari ( ) @ 3.76
    2 95.4% Kazahs ( ) + 4.6% Selkup ( ) @ 3.78
    3 86.7% Kazahs ( ) + 13.3% Tatar-Siberian ( ) @ 3.79
    4 97.6% Kazahs ( ) + 2.4% Ho ( ) @ 3.79
    5 96.3% Kazahs ( ) + 3.7% Ket ( ) @ 3.8
    6 92.6% Kazahs ( ) + 7.4% Even ( ) @ 3.81
    7 96.3% Kazahs ( ) + 3.7% Mansi ( ) @ 3.82
    8 96.8% Kazahs ( ) + 3.2% Khant ( ) @ 3.83
    9 93.9% Kazahs ( ) + 6.1% Saami ( ) @ 3.84
    10 93.8% Kazahs ( ) + 6.2% Saami_Finland ( ) @ 3.84
    11 96.8% Kazahs ( ) + 3.2% Nenets ( ) @ 3.84
    12 98.2% Kazahs ( ) + 1.8% Pulliyar ( ) @ 3.85
    13 97.9% Kazahs ( ) + 2.1% Bhunjia ( ) @ 3.85
    14 98% Kazahs ( ) + 2% Santhal ( ) @ 3.85
    15 98.2% Kazahs ( ) + 1.8% Paniya ( ) @ 3.86
    16 97.9% Kazahs ( ) + 2.1% Dhurwa ( ) @ 3.86
    17 97.3% Kazahs ( ) + 2.7% Nenets_Forest ( ) @ 3.87
    18 97.2% Kazahs ( ) + 2.8% Nenets_Tundra ( ) @ 3.87
    19 97.9% Kazahs ( ) + 2.1% Kharia ( ) @ 3.87
    20 93.3% Kazahs ( ) + 6.7% Yukagir_Forest ( ) @ 3.88

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