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The Tang were in decline around this time, even if they would have won at Talas, they wouldnt have held onto Central Asia for very long. After that, that area was certain to either fall to the Arabs, or worse, to the Tibetans, who at this point were basically horse barbarians.
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This thread is such gross misrepresentation of historical events. If Tang dynasty won, nothing would have significantly changed. It is a battle for the control of trade routes. Plus nothing at that point would have been sinified - everything beyond the great wall and Gansu corridor were protectorates - they spoke Mongolic, Tibetan, Tocharian or Saka languages. A few years after the battle, there was the An Lushan Rebellion in which the rising Uighur Khaganate got involved assisting Tang China. Thereafter Tang Dynasty started paying tribute to the Khaganate, as did other dynasties to earlier Turkic Khaganates. In 751 (Battle of Talas) nearly all Turkic tribes were located north of the conflict.
Map of Eastern Hemisphere 700 AD
Map of Eastern Hemisphere 800 AD
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It was a border clash without major change. It was like a prestige war between the two major world powers of their time. Arab victory didn't bring them more lands, and Chinese defeat didn't bring end of Tang. Turks have been victorious since influence on Iranic native elements were seized by Turks in south Central Asia. Arabs consolidated their position in eastern Iranic holdings. Chinese were expelled from the region.
Karluks were the ancestors of Uzbeks and Uighurs btw. The Oğuz were living modern southwest Kazakhstan back then. Free from Chinese or Arabic/Iranian domination. They left Western Mongolian steppes and Altay region after 1st Turkic khaganate was brought down by Tang, and immigration to west. That happened some 80 years before Talas Battle.
Karluks werent in the Chinese army, second story is right. They showed up later and attacked Tang army from the flank. The Korean marshall of Chinese army must have been shocked.
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