Arab-Chinese war Battle of Talas,

[Pahli]

But at least Chinese stopped Arabs in their attempt to ever step foot on Chinese soil. Overall Chinese did stop Arab advance.

Well, they would have succeeded if the Turks didn't betray them lol

[Bobby Martnen]

Well, they would have succeeded if the Turks didn't betray them lol

Truth.

[itilvolga]

That's one useful video, didn't know about the clash between 2 empires.. I guess the chinese has the edge until the turks betrayed them while Arabs had the balls to go deeper in central asia

I guess Levantine and Egypt keept watching

Turks never betrayed anyone, we were already enemies with them because they were trying to be power in Central Asia and controle us, we never allowed it. Betraying is smth idiosyncrasy between Araps.

[Gediminas]

The Tang were in decline around this time, even if they would have won at Talas, they wouldnt have held onto Central Asia for very long. After that, that area was certain to either fall to the Arabs, or worse, to the Tibetans, who at this point were basically horse barbarians.

[Egyptian]

Turks never betrayed anyone, we were already enemies with them because they were trying to be power in Central Asia and controle us, we never allowed it. Betraying is smth idiosyncrasy between Araps.

The video says the opposite

and plus, Turks in Egypt used to kill each others to get in power, mamluks,ottomans etc.

[Yaglakar]

This thread is such gross misrepresentation of historical events. If Tang dynasty won, nothing would have significantly changed. It is a battle for the control of trade routes. Plus nothing at that point would have been sinified - everything beyond the great wall and Gansu corridor were protectorates - they spoke Mongolic, Tibetan, Tocharian or Saka languages. A few years after the battle, there was the An Lushan Rebellion in which the rising Uighur Khaganate got involved assisting Tang China. Thereafter Tang Dynasty started paying tribute to the Khaganate, as did other dynasties to earlier Turkic Khaganates. In 751 (Battle of Talas) nearly all Turkic tribes were located north of the conflict.

Map of Eastern Hemisphere 700 AD



Map of Eastern Hemisphere 800 AD

[Dandelion]

Zhaoyun versus Nabatea, titan clashes.

[Yaglakar]

The only ones who stopped spreading of Arabic virus (from 622 AD forward) were Byzantine Empire and Chinese.

Salute both to Byzantines and Chinese.

P.S. No offence to any Arab here when I wrote "Arabic virus", I'm not sayin this to ppl, but how else to call that spreading of Arabs from 622 AD till today, someone had to stop them, and someone did.

Hey dimwit! Have you heard of Turkic Khazars and Turkic Türgesh who saved your "Christendom" by repelling Umayyad and Abbasid onslaught?

[Böri]

It was a border clash without major change. It was like a prestige war between the two major world powers of their time. Arab victory didn't bring them more lands, and Chinese defeat didn't bring end of Tang. Turks have been victorious since influence on Iranic native elements were seized by Turks in south Central Asia. Arabs consolidated their position in eastern Iranic holdings. Chinese were expelled from the region.
Karluks were the ancestors of Uzbeks and Uighurs btw. The Oğuz were living modern southwest Kazakhstan back then. Free from Chinese or Arabic/Iranian domination. They left Western Mongolian steppes and Altay region after 1st Turkic khaganate was brought down by Tang, and immigration to west. That happened some 80 years before Talas Battle.
Karluks werent in the Chinese army, second story is right. They showed up later and attacked Tang army from the flank. The Korean marshall of Chinese army must have been shocked.

[Yaglakar]

It was a border clash without major change. It was like a prestige war between the two major world powers of their time. Arab victory didn't bring them more lands, and Chinese defeat didn't bring end of Tang. Turks have been victorious since influence on Iranic native elements were seized by Turks in south Central Asia. Arabs consolidated their position in eastern Iranic holdings. Chinese were expelled from the region.
Karluks were the ancestors of Uzbeks and Uighurs btw. The Oğuz were living modern southwest Kazakhstan back then. Free from Chinese or Arabic/Iranian domination.
Karluks werent in the Chinese army, second story is right. They showed up later and attacked Tang army from the flank. The Korean marshall of Chinese army must have been shocked.

Karluks are only partial ancestors of Uyghurs and Uzbeks.