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Thread: Montenegrin author: Montenegrins are "not Slavs"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    And their language? Did that come from the church too?
    Usually languages and religious institutions are related.



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    Ćosović is famous for his nonsense and support of anti-serbian politics in Montenegro. It is true that Serbs of Montenegro have mixed with natives and their influence can be felt. However saying that they are not Slavs is simply ridiculous.

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    Language: Slavic
    Identity (names and surnames): Slavic
    Tradition: Slavic (including Pagan Slavic characteristic, Serbs and Montenegrins have even stronger Paganic hertige than other south Slavs)
    Genetic: Dominant Slavic (if count I2a as Slavic)
    Result: Montenegrins are not Slavs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vožd View Post
    Language: Slavic
    Identity (names and surnames): Slavic
    Tradition: Slavic (includin Pagan Slavic characteristic, Serbs including Montenegrins have even stronger Paganic influence than other south Slavs)
    Genetic: Dominant Slavic (if count I2a as Slavic)
    Result: Montenegrins are not Slavs
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    1. Language: Slavic (Assimilated at 300.000 Latin speakers only in last 250 years)
    2. Identity: Non-Slavic (a lot of Greek and Latin names falsely identified with Slavs)
    3. Tradition: def. non-Slavic.
    4. Genetic: Native
    5. Result: Slavophone Natives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    1. Language: Slavic (Assimilated at 300.000 Latin speakers only in last 250 years)
    Slavs was just a tribes like Vlachs. In best case there was half Slavs, half Vlachs and Slavic culture win

    2. Identity: Non-Slavic (a lot of Greek and Latin names falsely identified with Slavs)
    Roman/Byzantine influence, but still Slavic is majority. If you look at medieval south Slavic names, its almost completly Slavic, no Vlach names.

    3. Tradition: def. non-Slavic.
    Slava, Vidovdan, Ivanjdanski venci, Badnjak burning and other Badnjak traditions etc. are Pagan Slavic hertige, which existing today in Serbia and Montenegro.

    4. Genetic: Native
    Its not clear what is I2a origin. Slavic, non Slavic or both. BTW Majority of Montenegrins have I2a

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    ^^
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    ^^
    I2a1b-Din in South Slavs is of Slavic origin
    Doesn't matter if you rub it in their sculls billion times.

    Leave them to their fantasies.

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    Can someone explain to me if I2a1b-Din is Slavic then why people where this haplogroup is most present (Hertzegovina) tend to be darker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    Can someone explain to me if I2a1b-Din is Slavic then why people where this haplogroup is most present (Hertzegovina) tend to be darker?
    I2a1b-Din isn't a native haplogroup, this was proven in 2016 iirc. I2a1b-Din reaches it's highest diversity in the Ukraine/Poland area suggesting expansion from there and going by the TMRCAs it was during the middle ages, the distant origin of I2a1b-Din though is in NW Europe as shown by a Motala sample from Sweden belonging to it, also out of all the ancient Balkans samples not a single one has turned out to be I2a1b-Din on the other hand though samples from eastern Europe have. Haplogroups and skin tone don't go hand in hand
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    Can someone explain to me if I2a1b-Din is Slavic then why people where this haplogroup is most present (Hertzegovina) tend to be darker?
    Or ask them why Romanians are predominantly I2a1b CTS 10228? (Major haplogroup)

    Second most popular among Romanians is R1a.. which has been found among the Scythians in Steppes.

    So... from whom they learned Latin-like language? From Steppe Horseman people?

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