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    Armenia fell under the control of the Kara Koyunlu in 1410. The principal Armenian sources available in this period come from the historian Tovma Metsopetsi and several colophons to contemporary manuscripts.[8] According to Tovma, although the Kara Koyunlu levied heavy taxes against the Armenians, the early years of their rule were relatively peaceful and some reconstruction of towns took place. This peaceful period was, however, shattered with the rise of Qara Iskander, who reportedly made Armenia a "desert" and subjected it to "devastation and plunder, to slaughter, and captivity."[9] Iskander's wars with and eventual defeat by the Timurids invited further destruction in Armenia, as many Armenians were taken captive and sold into slavery and the land was subjected to outright pillaging, forcing many of them to leave the region.[10] Iskander did attempt to reconcile with the Armenians by appointing an Armenian from a noble family, Rustum, as one of his advisers.
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    Turko-Persian civilization ? more like barbarism
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBedouin View Post
    Turko-Persian civilization ? more like barbarism
    Inb4 jackrussell posts nonsense in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    Inb4 jackrussell posts nonsense in this thread.
    The Black Sheep, The White Sheep, the Safavid and Afsharids were all Turko-Persian in fact they were more Persian than Turk by culture, but their savagery and barbarism is well noted. The same guy Qara Iksander would also plunder Muslim Baghdad, and the same would repeat itself by the Safavids and Afsharids. Armenia however suffered heavily under the Black sheep regime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBedouin View Post
    Armenia fell under the control of the Kara Koyunlu in 1410. The principal Armenian sources available in this period come from the historian Tovma Metsopetsi and several colophons to contemporary manuscripts.[8] According to Tovma, although the Kara Koyunlu levied heavy taxes against the Armenians, the early years of their rule were relatively peaceful and some reconstruction of towns took place. This peaceful period was, however, shattered with the rise of Qara Iskander, who reportedly made Armenia a "desert" and subjected it to "devastation and plunder, to slaughter, and captivity."[9] Iskander's wars with and eventual defeat by the Timurids invited further destruction in Armenia, as many Armenians were taken captive and sold into slavery and the land was subjected to outright pillaging, forcing many of them to leave the region.[10] Iskander did attempt to reconcile with the Armenians by appointing an Armenian from a noble family, Rustum, as one of his advisers.
    This is genuine curiosity, and I'm serious: What's the source for that quote? Based upon the footnote numbers it looks like a Wikipedia Article. Which one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    This is genuine curiosity, and I'm serious: What's the source for that quote? Based upon the footnote numbers it looks like a Wikipedia Article. Which one?
    It is from wikipedia about these barbarians

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Koyunlu

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    Kouymjian. "Armenia", p. 4.

    Kouymjian, Dickran (1997), "Armenia from the Fall of the Cilician Kingdom (1375) to the Forced Migration under Shah Abbas (1604)" in The Armenian People From Ancient to Modern Times, Volume II: Foreign Dominion to Statehood: The Fifteenth Century to the Twentieth Century, ed. Richard G. Hovannisian, New York: St. Martin's Press, p. 4. ISBN 1-4039-6422-X.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBedouin View Post
    It is from wikipedia about these barbarians

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Koyunlu

    This is the source:

    Kouymjian. "Armenia", p. 4.

    Kouymjian, Dickran (1997), "Armenia from the Fall of the Cilician Kingdom (1375) to the Forced Migration under Shah Abbas (1604)" in The Armenian People From Ancient to Modern Times, Volume II: Foreign Dominion to Statehood: The Fifteenth Century to the Twentieth Century, ed. Richard G. Hovannisian, New York: St. Martin's Press, p. 4. ISBN 1-4039-6422-X.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    Thank You ...
    You welcome it seems Armenia always felt the Turko-Persian savagery sadly. It's really amazing that Armenia still exists as a proud nation.
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    Any other source instead of an Armenian one Dickran Kouymjian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaglakar View Post
    Any other source instead of an Armenian one Dickran Kouymjian.

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