How Armenia was brutalized by the barbaric Black Sheep

[StonyArabia]

Any other source instead of an Armenian one Dickran Kouymjian.

Even the Arab historians have recorded the barbarism of the Turko-Persian dynasties. Qara Iksander is well known to have burned Mosul to the ground and made Baghdad into a blood bath. This would re-appear again with the rise of the Safavids that saw Baghdad and Basra drenched with blood but it's maniac leader Shah Ismail. Btw these groups were only Turkic by name, in reality they were more Persian than anything especially culturally, and this is especially true of the Safavid barbarians.

Arab historians also note of the plunder of Armenia by these groups, the sources are in Arabic though

[Bobby Martnen]

Even the Arab historians have recorded the barbarism of the Turko-Persian dynasties. Qara Iksander is well known to have burned Mosul to the ground and made Baghdad into a blood bath. This would re-appear again with the rise of the Safavids that saw Baghdad and Basra drenched with blood but it's maniac leader Shah Ismail. Btw these groups were only Turkic by name, in reality they were more Persian than anything especially culturally, and this is especially true of the Safavid barbarians.

Arab historians also note of the plunder of Armenia by these groups, the sources are in Arabic though

Yaglakar is a troll. Ignore him.

[Mingle]

You welcome it seems Armenia always felt the Turko-Persian savagery sadly. It's really amazing that Armenia still exists as a proud nation.

Persian? Why are you bringing Persians into this? The thing is about Armens being killed by Turks, so Persians are irrelevant here and saying 'Turko-Persian' makes just as much sense as 'Turko-Arab'. Also, the Iranic people that ruled Armenia for several centuries were Parthians not Persians (though Persians ruled them too).

[StonyArabia]

Persian? Why are you bringing Persians into this? The thing is about Armens being killed by Turks, so Persians are irrelevant here and saying 'Turko-Persian' makes just as much sense as 'Turko-Arab'. Also, the Iranic people that ruled Armenia for several centuries were Parthians not Persians (though Persians ruled them too).

I am referring to the Persianate Turkics. They have become more Persian than Turk at the end, this culminated in the rise of the barbaric Safavid dynasty. I do realize that. There is no Turko-Arab culture, but there is certainly a Turko-Persian culture that both Turks and Persians share. A lot of these Turko-Persians saw themselves as the continuation of the Sassanids especially the Safavids and Afsharids, the latter is also known for it's wanton cruelty and barbarism.

At least in this event, it was the Turko-Persian or Persianate Turkic what ever term once wishes to call it.

That's recent, and it has more complicated history. Well yes I know that, the Parthians were the ones who ruled Armenia, but the Persian/Persianate also ruled it for a very long time

[Mingle]

I am referring to the Persianate Turkics. They have become more Persian than Turk at the end, this culminated in the rise of the barbaric Safavid dynasty. I do realize that. There is no Turko-Arab culture, but there is certainly a Turko-Persian culture that both Turks and Persians share. A lot of these Turko-Persians saw themselves as the continuation of the Sassanids especially the Safavids and Afsharids, the latter is also known for it's wanton cruelty and barbarism.

At least in this event, it was the Turko-Persian or Persianate Turkic what ever term once wishes to call it.

That's recent, and it has more complicated history. Well yes I know that, the Parthians were the ones who ruled Armenia, but the Persian/Persianate also ruled it for a very long time

Okay, yes they were Persianized but it was a misleading word.

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Armenians claim 7 Turkish provinces that were seized illegally by Turkey, provinces that used to have purely an Armenian population.

[Yaglakar]

Even the Arab historians have recorded the barbarism of the Turko-Persian dynasties. Qara Iksander is well known to have burned Mosul to the ground and made Baghdad into a blood bath. This would re-appear again with the rise of the Safavids that saw Baghdad and Basra drenched with blood but it's maniac leader Shah Ismail. Btw these groups were only Turkic by name, in reality they were more Persian than anything especially culturally, and this is especially true of the Safavid barbarians.

Arab historians also note of the plunder of Armenia by these groups, the sources are in Arabic though

“When other Christians heard of their prosperity, they sought to move under Seljuk administration, and thus escape from Byzantine oppression. Christian authors who had described the Turks during the years of the first conquest as terrifying plunderers, subsequently began to sing the praises of the Seljuk sultans to a remarkable degree; this was a natural consequence of their just and efficient administration, as well as their compassionate protection of their Christian subjects. The great religious tolerance of the Seljuks, and the freedom enjoyed by the Christians, made the latter more loyal to the Seljuks, and increased their hatred for Byzantium.” Ann K. S. Lambton et all. 1977. The Cambridge History of Islam, Vol. 1A: The Central Islamic Lands from Pre-Islamic Times to the First World War. Cambridge University Press

About Seljuqs: “Commerce, agriculture, and art thrived in the kingdom, where a tolerance of races and religions contributed to order and stability.” Encyclopedia Britannica

“Claude Cahen repeatedly emphasized the religious tolerance of the Anatolian Seljuks, exceptional for the Muslim world.” A.C.S. Peacock. 2015. The Seljuks of Anatolia: Court and Society in the Medieval Middle East. I.B.Tauris

“In the first century of Safavid rule, she argues, sovereignty was vested in the entire ruling clan, which included its female members, thus enabling Pari Khan Khanum to advance herself as a legitimate candidate for the throne. Babayan calls sixteenth-century Iran in general a ‘spirited age’ marked by an ‘eclectic and tolerant darvish culture’ that had allowed for weddings enlivened by music and dance, that had tolerated mixed gatherings, and that permitted women to go out alone and stroll in gardens and bazaars without their male relatives.” Colin P. Mitchell. 2011. New Perspectives on Safavid Iran: Empire and Society. Routledge

Safavid Iran was initially Turkic in character and that ‘spirited age’ came along with Turkic elements. Oghuz Turks forged Seljuk Empire widely regarded for its religious and ethnic tolerance. All you do here is pick some isolated events to prove your weak arguments. You can do this with practically any empire or state formation in antique and medieval worlds.

[Yaglakar]

Yaglakar is a troll. Ignore him.

Seriously Bobby, you should be last person on this forum given your post history to call me a troll

[meisje]

Armenians claim 7 Turkish provinces that were seized illegally by Turkey, provinces that used to have purely an Armenian population.

Kars-Van-Erzurum-Mush..None of them were pure Armenian,Van was 50%Armenian in 1914 at most btw.places where Armenians live

[Yaglakar]

Reality check for Armenians and Arabs:

“When other Christians heard of their prosperity, they sought to move under Seljuk administration, and thus escape from Byzantine oppression. Christian authors who had described the Turks during the years of the first conquest as terrifying plunderers, subsequently began to sing the praises of the Seljuk sultans to a remarkable degree; this was a natural consequence of their just and efficient administration, as well as their compassionate protection of their Christian subjects. The great religious tolerance of the Seljuks, and the freedom enjoyed by the Christians, made the latter more loyal to the Seljuks, and increased their hatred for Byzantium.” Ann K. S. Lambton et all. 1977. The Cambridge History of Islam, Vol. 1A: The Central Islamic Lands from Pre-Islamic Times to the First World War. Cambridge University Press

“Claude Cahen repeatedly emphasized the religious tolerance of the Anatolian Seljuks, exceptional for the Muslim world.” A.C.S. Peacock. 2015. The Seljuks of Anatolia: Court and Society in the Medieval Middle East. I.B.Tauris