Blackpino / Aeta natives of the Philippines & Indo-Pacific thread.

[zhaoyun]

I would assume the genetic relation between South Indians and Papuans is relatively similar to the relation East Asians have with Native Americans.

How about Aetas to Australians?

[Iloko]

How about Aetas to Australians?

Aeta-australoid is closer to Australians and Papuans then they are to South Indians even though you can still group all of them under the 'Australoid' category anthropologically.

The Australoid or Negrito found in the Philippines is actually more Melanesian-like than say ASI/Andamanese-like.. Malaysian Negritos on the other hand are genetically more Andamanese-like rather then Melanesian.

[zhaoyun]

Aeta-australoid is closer to Australians and Papuans then they are to South Indians even though you can still group all of them under the 'Australoid' category anthropologically.

The Australoid or Negrito found in the Philippines is actually more Melanesian-like than say ASI/Andamanese-like.. Malaysian Negritos on the other hand are genetically more Andamanese-like rather then Melanesian.

Were the Aetas once the sole occupants of the Philippines? What is their status now? Do you see them on the street?

[Iloko]

Were the Aetas once the sole occupants of the Philippines? What is their status now? Do you see them on the street?

The Negritos are to the Philippines as the Ainu are to Japan, the original indigenous Filipinos; they've subsequently been displaced by Austronesians and Malays over the span of thousands of years.. They're primarily found living peaceful lives in isolated provinces such as Zambales region..I even saw one working at a zoo in Subic a few years ago. You'll also sometimes spot them in Manila begging for money on the street. But otherwise I never saw one working in any affluent societal roles such as businessman, office worker, civil service etc..they simply aren't represented there. But I never really conversed with one before and have no real clue what they're like to interact with.

[Thambi]

I would assume the genetic relation between South Indians and Papuans is relatively similar to the relation East Asians have with Native Americans.

nope east asians are noticeably closer to native americans than even the most tribal indians are to australians/papuans

Native American sample
Kit Z713184

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 72.22
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.62
3 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 9.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pima 11.05
2 Sherpa 11.14
3 Eskimo 13.93
4 Kusunda 15.07
5 Clovis 16
6 Altaian 16.2
7 Cambodian 17.48
8 Kalmyk 17.51
9 Kyrgyz 18.62
10 Tibetan 22.94
11 Nganasan 24.11
12 Mongola 28.21
13 Hazara 30.2
14 Uygur 30.45
15 Ami 30.81
16 Han 31.74
17 Ulchi 32.18
18 Dai 33.68
19 Uzbek 42.24
20 Kharia 46.75

Australian sample. I couldn't find an exact papuan sample but papuans dont plot that far from australians anyways
Z905945

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 90.27
2 East_Asian 5.69
3 Sub_Saharan 3.24
4 Natufian 0.42
5 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Onge 8.46
2 Australian 11.34
3 Andamanese 11.34
4 Papuan 11.34
5 Paniyas 50
6 Palliyar 55.51
7 Kharia 59.47
8 Bengali 71.01
9 Punjabi_PJL 73.41
10 GujaratiD 75.01
11 GujaratiC 76.65
12 GoyetQ116 81.42
13 GujaratiB 82.13
14 GujaratiA 83.5
15 Punjabi 85.48
16 Burusho 86.43
17 Sindhi 86.64
18 Kusunda 89.35
19 Pathan 89.43
20 Kalash 90.08

[zhaoyun]

The Negritos are to the Philippines as the Ainu are to Japan, the original indigenous Filipinos; they've subsequently been displaced by Austronesians and Malays over the span of thousands of years.. They're primarily found living peaceful lives in isolated provinces such as Zambales region..I even saw one working at a zoo in Subic a few years ago. You'll also sometimes spot them in Manila begging for money on the street. But otherwise I never saw one working in any affluent societal roles such as businessman, office worker, civil service etc..they simply aren't represented there. But I never really conversed with one before and have no real clue what they're like to interact with.

Maybe this isn't PC, but do you think they are as intelligent as other people?

[Iloko]

nope east asians are noticeably closer to native americans than even the most tribal indians are to australians/papuans

Native American sample
Kit Z713184

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 72.22
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.62
3 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 9.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pima 11.05
2 Sherpa 11.14
3 Eskimo 13.93
4 Kusunda 15.07
5 Clovis 16
6 Altaian 16.2
7 Cambodian 17.48
8 Kalmyk 17.51
9 Kyrgyz 18.62
10 Tibetan 22.94
11 Nganasan 24.11
12 Mongola 28.21
13 Hazara 30.2
14 Uygur 30.45
15 Ami 30.81
16 Han 31.74
17 Ulchi 32.18
18 Dai 33.68
19 Uzbek 42.24
20 Kharia 46.75

Australian sample. I couldn't find an exact papuan sample but papuans dont plot that far from australians anyways
Z905945

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 90.27
2 East_Asian 5.69
3 Sub_Saharan 3.24
4 Natufian 0.42
5 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Onge 8.46
2 Australian 11.34
3 Andamanese 11.34
4 Papuan 11.34
5 Paniyas 50
6 Palliyar 55.51
7 Kharia 59.47
8 Bengali 71.01
9 Punjabi_PJL 73.41
10 GujaratiD 75.01
11 GujaratiC 76.65
12 GoyetQ116 81.42
13 GujaratiB 82.13
14 GujaratiA 83.5
15 Punjabi 85.48
16 Burusho 86.43
17 Sindhi 86.64
18 Kusunda 89.35
19 Pathan 89.43
20 Kalash 90.08

Do you have any tribal indian kit-#s?

[Thambi]

Do you have any tribal indian kit-#s?

no I tried finding it, but couldn't. I found two kits with very high south indian though on gedmatch. They must be low caste south indians, such as dalits rather than tribals from deep forests. Honestly though these two don't look that far from tribals imo.

M496251
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 38.82
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 29.48
3 East_Asian 17.87
4 Natufian 12.25
5 Sub_Saharan 1.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Palliyar 4.76
2 Paniyas 10.5
3 Bengali 11.86
4 Punjabi_PJL 17.17
5 GujaratiD 18.8
6 Kharia 20.12
7 GujaratiC 21.46
8 GujaratiB 26.18
9 GujaratiA 28.57
10 Burusho 28.61
11 Punjabi 29.94
12 Sindhi 32.2
13 Pathan 34.63
14 Kalash 35.6
15 Pashtun_Afghan 36.43
16 Tajik 39.23
17 Kurd_SE 40.28
18 Balochi 41.22
19 Brahui 41.9
20 Turkmen 42.23

M120510
# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 34.39
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 28.75
3 East_Asian 17.86
4 Natufian 16.33
5 Sub_Saharan 2.68

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bengali 7.35
2 Palliyar 9.77
3 Punjabi_PJL 13.69
4 GujaratiD 15.25
5 Paniyas 15.59
6 GujaratiC 17.75
7 Kharia 21.87
8 GujaratiB 22.2
9 Burusho 23.61
10 GujaratiA 24.3
11 Punjabi 25.58
12 Sindhi 27.74
13 Pathan 29.94
14 Kalash 30.96
15 Pashtun_Afghan 31.26
16 Tajik 34.03
17 Kurd_SE 35.39
18 Balochi 36.41
19 Brahui 37.05
20 Turkmen 37.14

[Iloko]

no I tried finding it, but couldn't. I found two kits with very high south indian though on gedmatch. They must be low caste south indians, such as dalits rather than tribals from deep forests. Honestly though these two don't look that far from tribals imo.

M496251
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 38.82
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 29.48
3 East_Asian 17.87
4 Natufian 12.25
5 Sub_Saharan 1.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Palliyar 4.76
2 Paniyas 10.5
3 Bengali 11.86
4 Punjabi_PJL 17.17
5 GujaratiD 18.8
6 Kharia 20.12
7 GujaratiC 21.46
8 GujaratiB 26.18
9 GujaratiA 28.57
10 Burusho 28.61
11 Punjabi 29.94
12 Sindhi 32.2
13 Pathan 34.63
14 Kalash 35.6
15 Pashtun_Afghan 36.43
16 Tajik 39.23
17 Kurd_SE 40.28
18 Balochi 41.22
19 Brahui 41.9
20 Turkmen 42.23

M120510
# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 34.39
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 28.75
3 East_Asian 17.86
4 Natufian 16.33
5 Sub_Saharan 2.68

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bengali 7.35
2 Palliyar 9.77
3 Punjabi_PJL 13.69
4 GujaratiD 15.25
5 Paniyas 15.59
6 GujaratiC 17.75
7 Kharia 21.87
8 GujaratiB 22.2
9 Burusho 23.61
10 GujaratiA 24.3
11 Punjabi 25.58
12 Sindhi 27.74
13 Pathan 29.94
14 Kalash 30.96
15 Pashtun_Afghan 31.26
16 Tajik 34.03
17 Kurd_SE 35.39
18 Balochi 36.41
19 Brahui 37.05
20 Turkmen 37.14

Is that calculator more accurate than the 'Eurasia K9 ASI' one?...

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 45.04
2 Ancestral_South_Indian 26.72
3 SE_Asian 23.19
4 W_African 2.36
5 Siberian_E_Asian 1.62
6 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 1.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bengali 7.41
2 Paniyas 15.75
3 Ho 20.27
4 Puliyar 21.21
5 Kharia 21.51
6 Burusho 23.86
7 Punjabi 25.99
8 Papuan 27.98
9 Pathan 28.75
10 Ust_Ishim 30.52
11 Tajik_Afghan 30.55
12 Pashtun_Afghan 32.04
13 Uzbek_Afghan 32.06
14 Kurd_SE 32.55
15 Hazara_Afghan 32.83
16 Kalash 33.86
17 Balochi 34.55
18 Brahui 34.68
19 Makrani 36.27
20 Tajik_Pomiri 37.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.2% Bengali + 29.8% Paniyas @ 3.56
2 81.8% Bengali + 18.2% Papuan @ 4.1
3 89.6% Bengali + 10.4% Great_Andamanese @ 4.14
4 77.7% Bengali + 22.3% Puliyar @ 4.43
5 69.4% Papuan + 30.6% SATSURBILA @ 4.68
6 79.4% Bengali + 20.6% Ho @ 5.4
7 81.2% Bengali + 18.8% Kharia @ 5.64
8 87.6% Bengali + 12.4% Ust_Ishim @ 6.09
9 56.7% Ho + 43.3% Punjabi @ 6.47
10 64% Ho + 36% Brahui @ 6.58
11 97.6% Bengali + 2.4% MOTA @ 6.98
12 98% Bengali + 2% Esan @ 6.99
13 98% Bengali + 2% Yoruba @ 6.99
14 55.2% Kharia + 44.8% Punjabi @ 7.03
15 97.7% Bengali + 2.3% Masai @ 7.06
16 76.6% Ho + 23.4% SATSURBILA @ 7.07
17 96.3% Bengali + 3.7% Kusunda @ 7.21
18 64.1% Ho + 35.9% Balochi @ 7.24
19 61.9% Paniyas + 38.1% Burusho @ 7.27
20 98.1% Bengali + 1.9% Sherpa @ 7.34

[Iloko]

Maybe this isn't PC, but do you think they are as intelligent as other people?

Maybe if they were to be raised in a 1st-world environment they could perform similarly to say Cambodians or Indians. Environment is important too. Genetically 3rd-world individuals have often risen to the ranks in America right? What do you think?