Is the Caucasoid Race closer related to Negroid race or to the Mongoloid race?

[Sandis]

Very strange.
Europeans in a cluster with MENAs and Iranians but Sardinians and Lapps are outside of this cluster by a big margin?
I might be slightly closer to Iranians than Sardinians but not by a huge margin.
But Southern and Western Europeans are definitely closer to Sardinians than Iranians.

This need to be viewed with criticism. Some of his assumptions were not right.
These were the first attempts to make such genetic trees.

[Sandis]

I made a higher resolution PCA with European and some nearest populations

[Sandis]

Relation to Negroid and Mongoloid depends on the region. Caucasoid is a very broad concept.

[Sandis]

Higher-res PCA of the World populations (Sub-Saharan Africans, Horners and Oceanians not included)

[Zanzibar]

Higher-res PCA of the World populations (Sub-Saharan Africans, Horners and Oceanians not included)

Interesting. I would thought that the Saami would plot much closer to the Mari and Chuvash as they actually have similar amounts of Mongoloid ancestry. Maybe its because the Saami have much higher levels of HG ancestry that the Mari and Chuvash. But the Saami in the PCA seem to be from Finland, wonder would the ones from Norway or Sweden be more Mongoloid.

Btw Saamis in G25 are around 28% Mongoloid, Saami_Kola are 20% Mongoloid, while Mari are closer to 33%, Chuvash and Udmurts are 25% and 27% East Eurasian. The Mongoloid component is Krasnoyarsk_BA/kra001 which is an ancient Siberian population most closely related to the Nganasan, Yukaghir and Evenk.

Target: Saami
Distance: 3.5789% / 0.03578854
40.8 Baltic_EST_BA
31.6 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
27.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA


Target: Saami_Kola
Distance: 2.1718% / 0.02171814
46.8 Baltic_EST_BA
28.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
20.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
5.2 CZE_Early_Slav

Target: Mari
Distance: 9.3773% / 0.09377256
44.2 CZE_Early_Slav
32.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
23.2 Baltic_EST_BA


Target: Chuvash
Distance: 6.4065% / 0.06406460
55.6 CZE_Early_Slav
25.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
19.2 Baltic_EST_BA

Target: Udmurt
Distance: 5.6801% / 0.05680145
29.8 CZE_Early_Slav
26.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
24.0 SWE_IA
19.6 Baltic_EST_BA

The distance fits for Mari and Chuvash are horrible though but they both are genetically very drifted in G25.

From the amount of their Mongoloid ancestry, Saami, Chuvash, Mari, Udmurt are literally the reverse/opposition version of Altaian, Kyrgyz and Khakass who are around 25-32% Caucasoid.

Target: Altaian
Distance: 2.1939% / 0.02193893
49.2 MNG_North_N
16.2 RUS_Shamanka_N
10.0 RUS_Afanasievo
8.2 Oroqen
7.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
4.6 TUR_Barcin_N
4.2 TJK_Sarazm_En



Target: Althai_Kizhi
Distance: 2.4724% / 0.02472399
44.6 MNG_North_N
24.4 RUS_Shamanka_N
10.6 RUS_Afanasievo
8.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
5.8 Oroqen
3.2 TUR_Barcin_N
2.6 TJK_Sarazm_En


Target: Kirghiz
Distance: 2.0017% / 0.02001725
23.0 Oroqen
22.4 MNG_North_N
21.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
15.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
8.8 TJK_Sarazm_En
4.6 TUR_Barcin_N
4.4 RUS_Afanasievo

Target: Kirghiz_China
Distance: 2.3150% / 0.02314983
29.2 Oroqen
20.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
19.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
17.4 MNG_North_N
11.2 TJK_Sarazm_En
2.2 TUR_Barcin_N


Target: Khakass
Distance: 2.8290% / 0.02828997
67.6 RUS_Shamanka_N
15.2 RUS_Afanasievo
15.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
1.2 TJK_Sarazm_En
0.8 TUR_Barcin_N


Target: Khakass_Kachins
Distance: 2.3621% / 0.02362103
56.2 RUS_Shamanka_N
16.8 MNG_North_N
12.6 RUS_Afanasievo
8.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
3.6 TUR_Barcin_N
1.8 Oroqen
0.4 TJK_Sarazm_En



Target: Kazakh_China
Distance: 2.3730% / 0.02372980
32.0 Oroqen
20.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
19.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
18.2 MNG_North_N
8.8 TJK_Sarazm_En
1.0 TUR_Barcin_N


Only the Kazakh are more Caucasoid than the Mari, Udmurt, Saami, Chuvash are Mongoloid:

Target: Kazakh
Distance: 1.9419% / 0.01941909
24.2 Oroqen
21.2 MNG_North_N
14.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
14.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
9.0 RUS_Afanasievo
8.6 TJK_Sarazm_En
7.8 TUR_Barcin_N

Therefore, Mari, Chuvash, Udmurt, Saami are literally the opposite version of Altaians, Kyrgyz and Khakass. In my opinion, these Uralics have enough Mongoloid to be seen more of a Hapa or transitional race between Europeans and Asians than only European.

[Corporate_Demolisher]

Mongoloids of course since Caucasoids share a more recent common ancestry with them more than 50,000 years ago in contrast to Black whom we share common ancestry more than a 100,000 years ago. These days though, it all depends on the location due to admixture and all that. Like, us middle easterners are more closer to Blacks while central asiatic Caucasians are more closer to Mongoloids.

Middle Easterners are closer to Europeans than they are to sub-Saharan Africans. Physically, genetically and culturally. Negroids are isolated from the Sahara quite significantly. Likewise with Mongoloids from west of Tibet. Abrahamic religions are a purely Caucasoid invention. Very few true MENA have black blood in them, look at the Gulf and the Levant, as well as Persians, absolutely nothing black about them.

[Östsvensk]

Middle Easterners are closer to Europeans than they are to sub-Saharan Africans. Physically, genetically and culturally. Negroids are isolated from the Sahara quite significantly. Likewise with Mongoloids from west of Tibet. Abrahamic religions are a purely Caucasoid invention. Very few true MENA have black blood in them, look at the Gulf and the Levant, as well as Persians, absolutely nothing black about them.

Essentially all Muslim Arabs have degrees of SSA admixture. Only non-Muslims, Kurds and Turks (though they have East Asian) lack it. Persians also sometimes get 2% SSA or so.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...XwUsAA/pubhtml

Besides, Somalis who are more than 50% black are accepted as Arabs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League

[Chocolate_Hound]

Essentially all Muslim Arabs have degrees of SSA admixture. Only non-Muslims, Kurds and Turks (though they have East Asian) lack it. Persians also sometimes get 2% SSA or so.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...XwUsAA/pubhtml

Besides, Somalis who are more than 50% black are accepted as Arabs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League

TBF I would not use Arab League as a cultural designation. Somalia just went in it for economic benefits. No Somali I ever knew ever identified as an Arab. They are a distinct peoples.

And SSA admixture is overestimated in most MENA. Original Gulf dwellers were pure Caucasoids. Same for Bedouins. Most MENA I see have narrow noses, thin lips and straight/wavy hair. These are not Negroid features but Caucasoid ones. Only Yemeni/Omani nationals and some Maghrebis have direct SSA influence. Most Egyptians and Berbers do not, neither do Levantines or Mesopotamians.

I am not sure "1%" of SSA admixture is enough to warrant any visible or otherwise distinction.

[StonyArabia]

Middle Easterners are closer to Europeans than they are to sub-Saharan Africans. Physically, genetically and culturally. Negroids are isolated from the Sahara quite significantly. Likewise with Mongoloids from west of Tibet. Abrahamic religions are a purely Caucasoid invention. Very few true MENA have black blood in them, look at the Gulf and the Levant, as well as Persians, absolutely nothing black about them.

Not really we are our own race.

[Östsvensk]

TBF I would not use Arab League as a cultural designation. Somalia just went in it for economic benefits. No Somali I ever knew ever identified as an Arab. They are a distinct peoples.

And SSA admixture is overestimated in most MENA. Original Gulf dwellers were pure Caucasoids. Same for Bedouins. Most MENA I see have narrow noses, thin lips and straight/wavy hair. These are not Negroid features but Caucasoid ones. Only Yemeni/Omani nationals and some Maghrebis have direct SSA influence. Most Egyptians and Berbers do not, neither do Levantines or Mesopotamians.

I am not sure "1%" of SSA admixture is enough to warrant any visible or otherwise distinction.

Yes, the original Arabs were Caucasoids, but modern-day Arabic-speaking Muslims got their SSA admixture from the Islamic slavery. The exception is North Africa where it appears to have been present already before, whereas the slavery probably increased it even more.

I agree that Levantines (Syrians, Lebanese, old Palestinians) likely do not have enough SSA admixture to be shown in phenotype.

However, it is necessary to stress that Negroid genes do not constitute any substantial part of the genetic inheritance of the Palestinian Arabs. Where they do occur they are mainly in one class and confined to local particularities.

https://www.unz.com/print/MankindQua...1965jan-00161/

As for Egyptians, they have increased SSA compared to Levantines, and the Palestinians who have more SSA are Egyptian-like autosomally. Egyptian G25 results posted by Joqool: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7390943

Much as miscegenation is to be discouraged for these very obvious and practical reasons, we have to realise that along the frontiers of the great racial blocks (in this case the Caucasoids and the Melanoid African peoples) mixed groups have arisen which are in various degrees of balance and imbalance. Thus in the Middle East, Egypt, northern Africa, the Sudan and Ethiopia, a racial shatter has been created. If slavery had not existed it is doubtful if Nubian and other African colonies would have been created in Egypt—and so the Egyptians would have been more Caucasoid today than they in fact are. In the working class areas of Cairo we estimated that one in three persons had some trace of "African" blood. This was often only slight, and some of those who showed actual traces of Negroid origins had many features which were Caucasoid.

https://www.unz.com/print/MankindQua...5jan-00161:50/

You don't think that the Egyptian woman at the 47:50 timestamp in this video appears to be mixed with black?