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    Default help with my haplo J-M205

    So, I've just discovered that my paternal line is J-M205

    it seems really rare in the balkan zone ( somewhere between Serbia, Dalmazia, Croatia and Bulgaria)
    I'm 100% from Veneto region, northern italy.

    This haplo is TOTALLY uncommon in italy, and the j2 we find here are from other clades.


    Someone can help me or tell me something about this mysterious haplogroup?

    My opinion is that the during the Republic of Venice my paternal line came here.

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    J2b1(J-M205) has origin around Iran and the Caucasus and is mainly found among Arabs, south Slavs and Levantines. If you belong to the Y22069 clade of J2b1 which is common among south Slavs then it could have either come into your ethnogenesis with a Slav or it could have come with Middle eastern peoples that migrated to Italy, Y22069 has TMRCA of 900ybp meaning all carriers of Y22069 share a common ancestor that lived during the middle ages in the Levant and moved to Europe during that time period. Although if you belong to Mediterranean clade which is found among Greeks and Iberians in low frequencies then it could have a Bronze Age origin in you. You would have to do further testing to know your clade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    J2b1(J-M205) has origin around Iran and the Caucasus and is mainly found among Arabs, south Slavs and Levantines. If you belong to the Y22069 clade of J2b1 which is common among south Slavs then it could have either come into your ethnogenesis with a Slav or it could have come with Middle eastern peoples that migrated to Italy, Y22069 has TMRCA of 900ybp meaning all carriers of Y22069 share a common ancestor that lived during the middle ages in the Levant and moved to Europe during that time period. Although if you belong to Mediterranean clade which is found among Greeks and Iberians in low frequencies then it could have a Bronze Age origin in you. You would have to do further testing to know your clade
    In my autosomic I have 0% stuff from middle east but an interesting high percentage of east asian for an italian. It can be a sign that my lineage come maybe from a slav that carry also some avar or magyar heritage maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clawgauth View Post
    In my autosomic I have 0% stuff from middle east but an interesting high percentage of east asian for an italian. It can be a sign that my lineage come maybe from a slav that carry also some avar or magyar heritage maybe?
    Haplogroup doesn't necessarily effect the autosomal make up of a person as autosomal can be replaced. I think your direct paternal ancestor was probably a South Slav(Dalmatian Croat?) that got assimilated into a Venetian lifestyle and identity, although the origin in J2b1 in Slavs themselves is from the Levant(Some Serbs from the SerbianDNA project suggest Syria) and probably came into the Balkans via the Byzantine empire where it became part of the South Slav ethnos. There is also a chance that you could belong to the Med branch of J2b1, if so this would mean that it came into Europe during the Bronze Age from the Kura-Araxes(Southern Caucasus) and was spread via Sea Peoples
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    MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe

    Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian

    Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo

    Ydna: J1-ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*


    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Haplogroup doesn't necessarily effect the autosomal make up of a person as autosomal can be replaced. I think your direct paternal ancestor was probably a South Slav(Dalmatian Croat?) that got assimilated into a Venetian lifestyle and identity, although the origin in J2b1 in Slavs themselves is from the Levant(Some Serbs from the SerbianDNA project suggest Syria) and probably came into the Balkans via the Byzantine empire where it became part of the South Slav ethnos. There is also a chance that you could belong to the Med branch of J2b1, if so this would mean that it came into Europe during the Bronze Age from the Kura-Araxes(Southern Caucasus) and was spread via Sea Peoples
    that's actually my same opinion, for the simple fact that in italy there are only 3 or 4 people outside me that carry the same haplogroup and they are almost all in areas where some slavs settled during medieval ages.

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