Anatolian Turks Comment on the Battle of Mohács, Hungary

[Nanushka]

We moved further into the west as the various empires began to fall apart. The western Göktürk Khaganate, the Khazar Empire, etc, until we ended up raiding the Europeans from the Carpathian basin as a staging ground.

Although this is not from our time as part of the Göktürk Khaganate, one of the most important sources on our people early in our history is written by Muslim scholars a century or two later (and further).

The Magyars as Turks

Ibn Rusta: The Magyars are a Turkic people.
Gardīzī: These Magyars are a Turkic people.
Ḥudūd al-ʿālam: And all these whom we have mentioned are the different categories of Turks (existing in the) world. Now we shall mention all the lands of Islam, and then the rest of the lands of the infidels, lying in the western parts.
Abūʾl-Fidāʾ: They are a Turkic people.
al-Marwazī: The Magyars are a Turkic people.
ʿAwfī: The M.ḥr.f.h [Magyars] are a Turkic people.
Shukrallāh: The seventh tribe of the Turks is called M.ḥr.q.h
Shükrallāh: The seventh people are called M.ḥr.q.h. They are of the Turks.
Muḥammad Kātib: The seventh tribe are of the Turks, and they are known by the name M.ḥr.q.h
Ḥājjī Khalīfa: One (of them) is the M.ḥr.q.h. too.

"The designation of the Magyars is m.jf.r in the Jayhānī tradition. The Hungarians were mentioned under different ethnonyms in Muslim sources, among them “Turk," which also occurred in connection with the Magyars in Greek and Latin sources. In the Muslim geographical literature the name Turk was applied to the Magyars in two different ways. On the one hand, it was used as an ethnic name for the Hungarian tribal confederation, and on the other, the Hungarian people, under various ethnic names, were regarded as belonging to the Turkic peoples."

Do read this if you have the time to glance, it has a lot of great original sources.

https://www.academia.edu/17517905/Mu...en_Boston_2015

I think Magyars were one of the tribes that comprised Onogurs (ten-Ogurs in Turkish) and after their fall in 9th century, they started to move westwards to Etelköz while the other tribes and clans went on calling them Onogur which eventually became Hungarian

[Marmara]

Neo-Ottomanists would view this battle as a "glorious victory" against the enemy, nothing else; but, they shouldn't be taken seriously since they're lowest of the low, culturally intellectually morally... their ideologies and mindsets is what's making Turkey backward.

[Profileid]

But the real tragedy was that it was a fraternal battle.

Because of a shaky linguistic connection that is not commonly accepted now and would've been unthinkable then? Was the British conquest of India a fraternal war too? Give me a break.

[Turul Karom]

Because of a shaky linguistic connection that is not commonly accepted now and would've been unthinkable then? Was the British conquest of India a fraternal war too? Give me a break.

Far more than linguistics connect us. Kazakhs, Anatolian Turks, Uyghurs and of course us all see the connections. If you don't want to, that's really not my issue.

Even the Encyclopedia Britannica says the proto - Magyars were a mixture of Turkic and Ugric peoples. I have sources from many nations and as many periods of history. It would be one thing if we were the only ones claiming Turkic unity, or if only the Anatolian Turks were the only ones fielding these feelings, but it transcends multiple nations and even religions. Did you even glance at the sources here?


Just like any family, there are those who respect our solidarity and those who couldn't care less or actively hold distaste for one another. This doesn't change our common identity.

[Profileid]

Far more than linguistics connect us. Kazakhs, Anatolian Turks, Uyghurs and of course us all see the connections. If you don't want to, that's really not my issue.

Even the Encyclopedia Britannica says the proto - Magyars were a mixture of Turkic and Ugric peoples. I have sources from many nations and as many periods of history. It would be one thing if we were the only ones claiming Turkic unity, or if only the Anatolian Turks were the only ones fielding these feelings, but it transcends multiple nations and even religions. Did you even glance at the sources here?


Just like any family, there are those who respect our solidarity and those who couldn't care less or actively hold distaste for one another. This doesn't change our common identity.

Absolutely. First the Youtube comments and then the source on the names. That kind of thing is used by a lot of people trying to prove faint connections and what have you. Much less the fact they would've considered each other brothers at the time.

[Turul Karom]

Neo-Ottomanists would view this battle as a "glorious victory" against the enemy, nothing else; but, they shouldn't be taken seriously since they're lowest of the low, culturally intellectually morally... their ideologies and mindsets is what's making Turkey backward.

Atatürk's rolling in his grave with the changes Turkey is going through. Hungarians have not forgotten his accomplished legacy though nor the comradery of Turkey during the escape from the Hapsburgs after the Russians crushed our otherwise successful revolution of 1848.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ary+celebrates

[Turul Karom]

Absolutely. First the Youtube comments and then the source on the names. That kind of thing is used by a lot of people trying to prove faint connections and what have you. Much less the fact they would've considered each other brothers at the time.

"Trying to prove?" Do you mean the established fact? Or do Byzantine, Islamic and Latin sources not match your criteria?

Fair then, how about modern sciences? The Britannica entry? The anthropology and grave studies?

[Profileid]

"Trying to prove?" Do you mean the established fact? Or do Byzantine, Islamic and Latin sources not match your criteria?

Fair then, how about modern sciences? The Britannica entry? The anthropology and grave studies?

I read the excerpt but don't feel like logging into academia to read the rest. What scientific info do you have?

[Turul Karom]

I read the excerpt but don't feel like logging into academia to read the rest. What scientific info do you have?

The particular link I have posted has no login requirements. You don't need to log in to read it.

I've posted a lot of information in various Magyar/Turkic and other Turanid threads but of course I'd not expect you to have read this, even if at all.

What sort of scientific studies would you like? Or would you like me to do a "throw it at you and see what sticks" sort of method?

Here's a good place to begin:

"Thus, most of the population in the Carpathian Basin originated from the Hun-Turkic cultural community of the Eurasian Steppe and was accompanied by Slavonic and German-speaking groups."

https://link.springer.com/article/10...520-018-0609-7

Here are other facts about our Turkic background:

All of the names of our leaders were Turkic before we became Catholic (Vajk, Géza, Sarolt, Emese, etc). We followed Tengrism while on the steppes together. Our alphabet is directly derived from Old Turkic as a child system. We have many Turkic words that are as old as the language and our ancient lifestyle itself. We lived in yurts and fought on horseback with the same tactics. Our government structure directly followed the Turkic model. We lived together in Central Asia for hundreds of years. Fellow Turkic peoples like the Avars, Cumans, Pechenegs, etc, settled in Hungary. We celebrate our common culture and brotherhood today, with Kurultaj.

[Yaglakar]

I read the excerpt but don't feel like logging into academia to read the rest. What scientific info do you have?

The cultural-civilizational link between Magyars and Khazars is solid.











Kevin Alan Brook. 2009. The Jews of Khazaria. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers