Mizrahi and Sephardi MyHeritage results + GEDmatch

[Sp_loa]

Seems like Mizrahi Jews are almost pure levantine and that the original Jews were very similar to modern day Syrians and lebanese. very interesting!

[StonyArabia]

Looks like your Circassian side was already mixed with Arabs. Full Adyghe people score around 20% Baltic/N. Atlantic combined. You are only 4%. Even the oracle doesn't model you as 50%, only as 25% Adyghe.

They are more Anatolian/Armenian like. My paternal side seem close to Caucasian Jews and Anatolians, so they are outliers. They also have Balkar ancestry. I am also more northern than the pure Bedouins. I don't think my paternal side is mixed with Arabs, as that would push them very South, perhaps levantine but I doubt it. Usually I get a large dose of Armenian or Turkish with some oracles and the McDonald plots. Plus if Russian cherkess are in Russia would they not be Russian admix? It's true that Cherkess in the diaspora often took local wives, which created unique phenotypes among them. My cherkess line lived in Turkey and still some of them live in the Kavkaz.

My McDonald results:

Bedouin_Nor 0.2653 Armenian 0.6745 Hazara 0.0602 or
Adygei 0.3006 Bedouin_Nor 0.3732 Armenian 0.3263 or
Bedouin_Nor 0.3509 Turkish 0.4053 Georgian 0.2438
Bedouin_Nor 0.2714 Turkish 0.3814 Armenian 0.3472
Adygei 0.4712 Jewish 0.0896 Bedouin_Nor 0.4392
Adygei 0.4567 Sephardic 0.1387 Bedouin_Nor 0.4046
Bedouin_Nor 0.3735 Iranian 0.3053 Georgian 0.3211

[Leto]

They are more Anatolian/Armenian like. My paternal side seem close to Caucasian Jews and Anatolians, so they are outliers. They also have Balkar ancestry. I am also more northern than the pure Bedouins. I don't think my paternal side is mixed with Arabs, as that would push them very South, perhaps levantine but I doubt it. Usually I get a large dose of Armenian or Turkish with some oracles and the McDonald plots. Plus if Russian cherkess are in Russia would they not be Russian admix? It's true that Cherkess in the diaspora often took local wives, which created unique phenotypes among them. My cherkess line lived in Turkey and still some of them live in the Kavkaz.

My McDonald results:

Bedouin_Nor 0.2653 Armenian 0.6745 Hazara 0.0602 or
Adygei 0.3006 Bedouin_Nor 0.3732 Armenian 0.3263 or
Bedouin_Nor 0.3509 Turkish 0.4053 Georgian 0.2438
Bedouin_Nor 0.2714 Turkish 0.3814 Armenian 0.3472
Adygei 0.4712 Jewish 0.0896 Bedouin_Nor 0.4392
Adygei 0.4567 Sephardic 0.1387 Bedouin_Nor 0.4046
Bedouin_Nor 0.3735 Iranian 0.3053 Georgian 0.3211

No, they don't have Russian admixture. The academic samples are surely not mixed with non-Circasians. However, they have some East Asian, sometimes up to 10%.

[StonyArabia]

No, they don't have Russian admixture. The academic samples are surely not mixed with non-Circasians. However, they have some East Asian, sometimes up to 10%.

Yeah I am around 5% East Asian and 3% East African. Based on my Mcdonald results you would say they are more Armenian/Anatolian like ? Then

[Leto]

Yeah I am around 5% East Asian and 3% East African. Based on my Mcdonald results you would say they are more Armenian/Anatolian like ? Then

Post Dodecad K12b please.

[Kamal900]

Both my parents are Jewish. My dad is half Sephardi Jewish and half Yemenite Jewish born in Israel and my mom is Mountain Jewish from Dagestan. But Lebanese and Jews are very closely related so it doesn't surprise me it came out quite Lebanese, there's even this Lebanese girl that scored very high amounts of Jewish on MyHeritage and I think it's safe to assume it's not actual recent Jewish ancestry, rather just evidence of our genetic affinity.



Lots of Jewish again. What did your autosomal results look like in the commercial test you took? Very interested to see.
The 3 populations approximation is really close to me just swap the Egyptian with Yemenite Jewish.

Here's my FTDNA myOrigins results:

[StonyArabia]

Post Dodecad K12b please.

Gedmatch.Com
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.36
2 Southwest_Asian 21.03
3 Gedrosia 15.32
4 Atlantic_Med 9.09
5 North_European 3.50
6 South_Asian 2.92
7 East_African 2.53
8 Northwest_African 2.05
9 Siberian 1.64
10 Sub_Saharan 1.05


12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lebanese_Behar @ 7.282288
2 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 8.426981
3 Syrians_Behar @ 8.880510
4 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 10.094115
5 Jordanians_Behar @ 11.141486
6 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 11.389429
7 Druze_HGDP @ 12.627500
8 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 13.046430
9 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 13.534404
10 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 13.585689
11 Turks_Behar @ 14.017227
12 Palestinian_HGDP @ 14.375685
13 Turkish_Dodecad @ 15.266433
14 Kurds_Yunusbayev @ 15.803488
15 Kurd_Dodecad @ 15.939445
16 Iranian_Dodecad @ 16.933790
17 Armenian_Dodecad @ 17.787199
18 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 17.809555
19 Iranians_Behar @ 17.882458
20 Cypriots_Behar @ 18.246670

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian_Dodecad +50% Palestinian_HGDP @ 3.156192


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jordanians_Behar +25% Kurd_Dodecad +25% Turks_Behar @ 2.931874


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Iranians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turks_Behar @ 1.824305
2 Druze_HGDP + Iranians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad + Yemenese_Behar @ 1.885710
3 Druze_HGDP + Iranians_Behar + Turks_Behar + Yemenese_Behar @ 1.968576
4 Iranians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Turks_Behar @ 1.995689
5 Iranians_Behar + Jordanians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Turks_Behar @ 2.031092
6 Iranian_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Turks_Behar @ 2.036356
7 Iranian_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turks_Behar @ 2.048237
8 Cypriots_Behar + Iranian_Dodecad + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Yemenese_Behar @ 2.048419
9 Iranian_Dodecad + Jordanians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Turks_Behar @ 2.071549
10 Iranians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.090172
11 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.179216
12 Iranians_Behar + Jordanians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.225636
13 Armenian_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.270923
14 Cypriots_Behar + Iranians_Behar + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Yemenese_Behar @ 2.272436
15 Druze_HGDP + Iranian_Dodecad + Turks_Behar + Yemenese_Behar @ 2.276532
16 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.285092
17 Assyrian_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.287572
18 Iranians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.327946
19 Druze_HGDP + Iranian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Yemenese_Behar @ 2.348911
20 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.360173

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[happycow]

this is a very interesting thread. I am awaiting my dna results from 23andme and ancestry so I will post them here once i get them.

[waam]

Myheritage reference is North African Jews in general, not nescerly sephardim, it includes Berber Jews as well. Ftdna reference is Turkush Jews and Greek jews from the USA which should be Sephardic Proper. Gedmatch result similar to a full Mizrahi result. Quart sephardi sounds reasonable.

Funny because I score almost exactly the same amount of Sephardi on both tests although you're suggesting two different reference populations were used. Also my Sephardi is from Libya and I didn't score any seperate North African on Family Finder so it's interesting...

Yes, of course. I didn't mean you're not Jewish. Actually you appear to be closer to the Levantine natives than the Ashkenazim.

Yeah sure I was just making it clear. That being said, my mother is very often being mistaken (by both Jews and Arabs) for Arab.

Here's my FTDNA myOrigins results:

Cool thanks for sharing, there's mine for comparison.

[Kamal900]

Funny because I score almost exactly the same amount of Sephardi on both tests although you're suggesting two different reference populations were used. Also my Sephardi is from Libya and I didn't score any seperate North African on Family Finder so it's interesting...


Yeah sure I was just making it clear. That being said, my mother is very often being mistaken (by both Jews and Arabs) for Arab.


Cool thanks for sharing, there's mine for comparison.

Is your mother Yemenite Jewish? I cluster with these people quite close since they cluster with Southern Levantines and Saudis.