Macedonia Language Law Draws Praise and Vitriol

[Queen B]

They have official language status in areas where they are 20% of the population or more. We have far better minority rights then all our neighbours, especially nea ellas. But you neo-Greeks don't know what minorities are because 100% of your country is pure Greek straight out of the ball sack of Leonidas himself.

The place that has over 20% minority language has their own schools, universities and such.
They also have special (lower) uni entry score requirements, reserved PM seats etc.

[Vojnik]

Of course.

You guys are sick.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Terribly wrong about what? Albanian is second official language in places like Tetovo and Gostivar. Is it not? Why must yo be co official with Macedonian? You are minority still. Dont forget that. And save me that autochthonous bullshit. We are as indigenous if not more then you guys anyway. Our DNA is native to our region.

What language you speak exactly? Bulgarian, right, Slavic language, well your are fucking Slav and a big chunk of Slavic genetics at it.

We are at opposite poles, anyways, back to the subject, numbers should not dictate how & when our language (which is older than yours too) should be used, and no, official is not, again you lie, if that were the case, what would be the purpose of spending too much energy on fighting for a freaking law anyways.

Stop lying to yourself, you have no power to challenge any neighbor with your nationalistic BS anymore.

[Thanas Django]

You guys are sick.

You don't need Apricity to tell you that, Youtube is filled with videos. Then again, Apricity is a pretty good tell for that as well.

[Vojnik]

If you guys could, you would deny the existence of Albanians, but they are just too many.

Nope. We recognise every ethnic group. even down to the smallest ones like the Croats for example who are 0.1%.

[Dibran]

Yes it will be a constitutional amendment. Article 7 of the constitution states the following:



If the law is passed, it will reflect onto the constitution. That means the constitution will change. For that you need 2/3 vote in parlement, which you don't have. Macedonians who have voted for this, and who are known, will go down in history with our long list of traitors.

In that article of the constitution i quoted, you even see the fairness of allowing minorities to have their language official wherever they are the majority. You are so greedy. You have your own country in Albania where the language is official. Go there if you don't like it in Macedonia.

Article 7 declares Macedonian as the official language. No where does it say a second language cannot be implemented, and the language bill is in no way attempting to be the official state language, but a second language for a swelling "minority".

You do know your ancestors carved that territory out at the expense of others. Perhaps you can see this as an atonement for past transgressions. It will only bring Albanians and Macedonians closer. Apparently you would rather treat us like savages and then hand your country over to your neighbors in blood.

Its not a threat, but simple logic. You make peaceful progress and cooperation impossible, whilst limiting or regressing status and rights of minorities, you will only make violent rebellion probable.

Using your logic, you assume you have right to dictate the rights of minorities, among others like Greeks and Vlachs, who have had a far longer presence in that land than your ancestors. The least you can do is treat your neighbors/minorities equitably. Or they can just resort to savage means considering peace and negotiation keeps being impeded by your right-wing nationalist pro-russian twat of a president, and those of you like him.

I have great respect for Zaev. At least hes able to see past ethnic superiority complexes that are vehement in the Balkans. At least hes thinking for your nations future in a realistic sense. This isn't the middle ages. Get testy like Serbia, cut yourself off from European integration and watch how improving relations dwindle and your nation is ripped apart.

Nationalism is a illusory sense of commitment to ones country. It supersedes actual justice for a false sense of ethnic unity, at the expense of the "undesirables". This type of mindset is usually prevalant in poor nations with few opportunities. This plagues the whole Balkans sadly. At least other Balkan countries are trying to compromise and play ball. Do you really wan't to be paired up with Serbia?

[Thanas Django]

Nope. We recognise every ethnic group. even down to the smallest ones like the Croats for example who are 0.1%.

So, if I travel there and register as a resident will I constitute the Cypriot minority of 0.001 %?

I bet your government will just pack me into "others". How unfair.

Still, recognising every ethnic group and desiring every ethnic group are two different things.

[Vojnik]

The place that has over 20% minority language has their own schools, universities and such.
They also have special (lower) uni entry score requirements, reserved PM seats etc.

The Turks in Thrace? Is that the minority you are reffering to?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Nope. We recognise every ethnic group. even down to the smallest ones like the Croats for example who are 0.1%.

We recognize much smaller minorities too, so what's the point? You lag behind on meeting up the requirement for equal language status, officially only cyrillic macedonian, that's highly offensive to other half who don't use macedonian and cyrillic as his own.

[Vojnik]

So, if I travel there and register as a resident will I constitute the Cypriot minority of 0.001 %?

Possibly, though they might just put you with Greeks who are also a recognised minority at a rate of 0.021% and number 422 souls.

Ethnic group	census 1948		census 1953		census 1961		census 1971		census 1981		census 1991		census 19941		census 2002
Number	%	Number	%	Number	%	Number	%	Number	%	Number	%	Number	%	Number	%
Macedonians	789,648	68.5	860,699	66.0	1,000,854	71.2	1,142,375	69.3	1,281,195	67.0	1,328,187	65.3	1,295,964	66.6	1,297,981	64.2
Albanians	197,389	17.1	162,524	12.5	183,108	13.0	279,871	17.0	377,726	19.8	441,987	21.7	441,104	22.7	509,083	25.2
Turks	95,940	8.3	203,938	15.6	131,481	9.4	108,552	6.6	86,691	4.5	77,080	3.8	78,019	4.0	77,959	3.9
Romani	19,500	1.7	20,462	1.6	20,606	1.5	24,505	1.5	43,223	2.3	52,103	2.6	43,707	2.2	53,879	2.7
Serbs	29,721	2.6	35,112	2.7	42,728	3.0	46,465	2.8	44,613	2.3	42,775	2.1	40,228	2.1	35,939	1.8
Bosniaks	1,560	0.1	1,591	0.1	3,002	0.2	1,248	0.1	39,555	2.1	31,356	1.5	6,829	0.3	17,018	0.8
Muslims	15,418	0.8	2,553	0.1
Aromanians	9,511	0.8	8,668	0.7	8,046	0.6	7,190	0.4	6,392	0.3	7,764	0.4	8,601	0.4	9,695	0.5
Croats	2,090	0.2	2,770	0.2	3,801	0.3	3,882	0.2	3,349	0.2	2,878	0.1	2,248	0.1	2.686	0.1
Montenegrins	2,348	0.2	2,526	0.2	3,414	0.2	3,246	0.2	3,940	0.2	3,225	0.1	2,318	0.1	2,003	0.1
Bulgarians	889	0.1	920	0.1	3,087	0.2	3,334	0.2	1,984	0.1	1,370	0.1	1,682	0.1	1.417	0.1
Yugoslavs					1,260	0.1	3,652	0.2	14,240	0.7
other / unspecified	4,390	0.4	5,304	0.4	4,616	0.3	22,988	1.4	6,228	0.3	45,239	2.2	9,814	0.5	14,8872	0.7
Total	1,152,986		1,304,514		1,406,003		1,647,308		1,909,136		2,033,964		1,945,932		2,022,547
1 Since 1994 residents who were permanently living abroad were no longer included2 Ashkali: 3,713 or 0.184%, Greeks: 422 or 0.021%, Russians: 368 or 0.018%, Slovenes: 365 or 0.018%, Poles: 162 or 0.008%, Ukrainians: 136 or 0.007%, Germans: 88 or 0.004%, Czechs: 60 or 0.005%, Slovaks: 60 or 0.005%, Jews: 53 or 0.003%, Italians: 46 or 0.002%, Austrians: 35 or 0.002%, Rusyns: 24 or 0.001%, Regionally affiliated: 829 or 0.041%, Non-declared: 404 or 0.02%, Others: 5332 or 0.264%