Mediterranid sub-types. Are those predictions accurate?

[kleenex]

Maybe East Mediterranid is even 50 percent Nord Iranid plus 50 percent Gracile Mediterranid?

East Med I'm assuming would be Cypriots and/or Dodacanese Islanders (which are less Caucasus shifted than Cypriots). Not sure about the Gracile Med component but I do see it in some East Aegeans and Cypriots. In mainland Greece it's pretty rare. As far as mainlanders are concerned I would say that there are Pontids with slight Gracile Med influence, Dinarids, Alpine Meds and Atlanto Meds with Cro-mag influence. I've not seen a Greek mainlander classified as Gracile Med.

[Sikeliot]

East Med I'm assuming would be Cypriots and/or Dodacanese Islanders (which are less Caucasus shifted than Cypriots). Not sure about the Gracile Med component but I do see it in some East Aegeans and Cypriots. In mainland Greece it's pretty rare.

Gracile Med is a common Aegean islands type I think.

[br95]

East Med is more like 75% Gracile Med and 25% Armenoid.

I don't think so because East Mediterranid is longer faced than Gracile Mediterranid.

[cyberlorian]

East Med is more like 75% Gracile Med and 25% Armenoid.

Most people think East Med as Cappadocian Med, although East Med is an umbrella term for brunet, dolichocephal, long faced Eastern Europeans and Central Asians. Since Cappadocian Med is North Iranid plus Gracile Mediterranid, I can say that the original poster is somehow correct.

[Tauromachos]

I've not seen a Greek mainlander classified as Gracile Med.

There are^


But in general Gracile Meds would be found more often on Islands

East Med I'm assuming would be Cypriots and/or Dodacanese Islanders

You are assuming alot of nonesense^
Cypriots and Dodecanese Islanders are not all East Meds in the sense you described.
They have also Med types commong among other Greeks.

[Hellenas]

B.J.Lundman " The Races and Peoples of Europe"

Ost Mediterranean/East Mediterranean






Systematic Appendix: The Races of Europe

II. Progressive Procopomorphic Types - All Extremely Long-Skulled.

a) East-Mediterranean Race: dark pigmented, with many subraces.

1. The Pontid (in southern Russia).

And also...

2. The Iranid: partly influenced by the Arabid race, with narrow rectangular face.
3. The North-Indid: very tall, heavily bearded, large nose, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
4. The Gangid: small, very gracile, with thin, sparse beard, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
5. The Nesid (in the South Seas).
6. The Saharid or South-Mediterranean (in North Africa): rather tall and gracile, with a low frequency of blood type gene q.
7. The Aegyptid: very closely related to the Saharid, but with a high frequency of blood type gene q.

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/lundman-races4.htm


The living races and peoples of Europe

The Races of Europe - An Outline

"the Pontid subrace of the East-Mediterranean race"

The Races and Peoples of Southeast Europe

"In Greece the Dinarids predominate only in the western part. Toward the northeast more East-Mediterraneans are found."

"Bulgaria and southeastern Macedonia appear to be predominantly East-Mediterranean in race."

The Races and Peoples of Russia and Northeast Europe

"In southwestern Russia the predominantly East-Mediterranean region is continued from the Moldau across to the Black Sea port of Odessa."

"The Latvians show some Dinarid and more East-Mediterranean strains."

The racial history of Europe: an outline

"According to the ancient portraits, as well as the cranial evidence, the dark element of the early Indo-Europeans must have consisted predominantly of East-Mediterraneans."

"not all of the living high-skulled peoples of this part of Europe can be regarded as mixtures of the Scando-Nordid (or East-Mediterranean)"

"Evidently, it is much older than the Mongolid admixture in the formerly East-Mediterranid southern Russia."

"The East-Mediterranids probably originated in the northern part of southwest Asia. They then spread out northwards to southeast Europe and southern Central Europe."

Synopsis of European Racial History

"3. The northward migrations in the early Neolithic period by agricultural, more or less, East-Mediterranean tribes out of the Near East into the Danube region up to southern Germany."

Summary

"The East-Mediterranean and East-Alpine races probably developed from the long-skulled and high-skulled Upper Paleolithic races of southeastern Europe and the Near East. These races also moved northward into central and eastern Europe in the early Neolithic period"

" The south-eastemmost Indo-European group - the Indo-Iranians - seem to have been basically East-Mediterranean in race."


See: Essays & Excerpts Hosted literature

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/index2.htm


EAST-MEDITERRANID

Refers to the Mediterranid varieties, including Pontid, which are indigenous to the eastern Mediterranean areas. The term has also been applied to a larger selection of eastern European and Central Asian brunet dolichocephalic types, including Orientalids.

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#E

[Tauromachos]

"In Greece the Dinarids predominate only in the western part. Toward the northeast more East-Mediterraneans are found."

@Hellenas

This is inaccurate though isn't it because Dinarid is not a predominant type anywhere in Greece except the North West"Epirus"
where it is Dinarid-Alpine

[Hellenas]

"In Greece the Dinarids predominate only in the western part. Toward the northeast more East-Mediterraneans are found."

@Hellenas

This is inaccurate though isn't it because Dinarid is not a predominant type anywhere in Greece except the North West"Epirus"
where it is Dinarid-Alpine

With Dinaric he mean partly Dinaric types, mostly Alpine-Dinarics. of Epirus etc.

[Tauromachos]

With Dinaric he mean partly Dinaric types, mostly Alpine-Dinarics. of Epirus etc.

I think in most regions of West Greece Alpine and Med types are more common than Dinarics

For most regions it goes either like this

Alpine>Med>Dinaric or Med>Alpine>Dinaric

Right?

[Hellenas]

I think in most regions of West Greece Alpine and Med types are more common than Dinarics

For most regions it goes either like this

Alpine>Med>Dinaric or Med>Alpine>Dinaric

Right?

Epirus has strong Dinaric admixture.



Epirot.

A characteristic of this type is hyperbrachycephaly, probably the largest across Europe wth cephalic index 88. Almost one in two representatives of this type has wide occipital. The face width (diameter of zygomatics/ cheekbones) is the largest in Greece. The shape of the nose is curved and rarely straight.

The effect of this type outside Epiros is particularly perceptible in western Macedonia, and to a lesser degree in central Greece and western Peloponnesos, but also beyond the borders of Greece. The Epirotic/ Continental type extends along the whole of Pindos and in Agrafa. We could even call him as "Pindic", but we would limited its geographical area only in Greece, while the term "Epirotic" in the sense of "Continental" embraces a large part of the European continent. Is a primeval type in our area and native obviously.

(A. N. Poulianos 1993).

"The origin of the Greeks", pages 131-135, year 2001.

http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thre...aris-poulianos

Hyperbrachycephaly, wide occipital, curved noses. All these are Dinaric features.








Can be found in Epirus, western Macedonia, to a lesser degree in central Greece and western Peloponnesos, Pindos and in Agrafa(Central Greece), also beyond the borders of Greece.