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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    The origin is mostly Germanic but there are still some strains of Slavic origin that were brought by the Visigoths. Even though they were Germanic by the time they arrived to the west of the peninsula some of them were already an hybrid of other ethnic groups that crossed between their path.

    I believe Z283 and Z284 clades are the most common, though they represent 3% or so of the total population.
    are these R1a subclades found mostly on the coast?I found this on eupedia from a portuguese poster.

    High frequencies of I1 in Portugal are explained by the settlement of the suebi in Porto and Braga. Do not forget Povoa de Varzim strong Viking heritage. Some of the fishermen from Povoa look like Scandinavians.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    are these R1a subclades found mostly on the coast?I found this on eupedia from a portuguese poster.
    I don't know the regional distribution to be honest but there's Viking heritage in Póvoa de Varzim indeed.

    https://translate.google.pt/translat...%2F&edit-text=

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    are these R1a subclades found mostly on the coast?I found this on eupedia from a portuguese poster.
    But I know that R1a in Spain tends to peak in Andalusia if I am not wrong. There's a clear pattern with the Reconquista movements. Wouldn't surprise me if there's a similar pattern in Portugal, contrary to what most people usually assume (that everything "nordic related" will be more commonly found in the north).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    contrary to what most people usually assume (that everything "nordic related" will be more commonly found in the north).
    Who thinks that? these hotspots seem to correlate with actual history


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Who thinks that? these hotspots seem to correlate with actual history


    It is true that there are historic narratives of Viking raids in the Iberian Peninsula. However, it would be hard to ascertain that these coastal raids (not invasions/settlements) were enough to produce offspring.
    Maybe the I haplogroup in Portugal is more Germanic related (Suevi, Visigoth, etc.).
    I know that around Póvoa de Varzim there are tales and evidence of Viking presence. Maybe DNA tests can be more conclusive.

    It could be that Raúl Meireles is a Viking descendant
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uoJ-suDDTw

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    [QUOTE=Damiăo de Góis;5028010]Islands not included sadly. The info is from here (from 2006):

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16626329


    Boas, sabes se existe outro estudo semelhante?
    Tenho a ideia de ter visto um outro estudo com tabelas em várias páginas, mas năo consigo encontrar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    I don't know the regional distribution to be honest but there's Viking heritage in Póvoa de Varzim indeed.

    https://translate.google.pt/translat...%2F&edit-text=
    I'd buy a kit for a Varzim fishermen if i had the opportunity to, i'm pretty sure they will show clear Northern European admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    I'd buy a kit for a Varzim fishermen if i had the opportunity to, i'm pretty sure they will show clear Northern European admixture.
    More than ten centuries have passed by, I am pretty sure they don't differ from the rest of the population. Plus we don't know if any genetic impact was left from these raids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    More than ten centuries have passed by, I am pretty sure they don't differ from the rest of the population. Plus we don't know if any genetic impact was left from these raids.
    Even though it was long time ago, if the people from these zones kept marrying between themselves (which is very likely, people didn't moved too much in the past), the admixture percentage must have stabilized at some point. Something similar can be seen among Bavarian/Langobardic-speaking Northern Italians, who still preserve Germanic admixture together with larger lenghts of homozygous genotypes (inbreeding), even though the admixture event dates to the 11th century and possibly much earlier. I'll test one of those Varzim fishermen personally in my next trip to Portugal, geneticists are too lazy debating the PIE homeland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Even though it was long time ago, if the people from these zones kept marrying between themselves (which is very likely, people didn't moved too much in the past), the admixture percentage must have stabilized at some point. Something similar can be seen among Bavarian/Langobardic-speaking Northern Italians, who still preserve Germanic admixture together with larger lenghts of homozygous genotypes (inbreeding), even though the admixture event dates to the 11th century and possibly much earlier. I'll test one of those Varzim fishermen personally in my next trip to Portugal, geneticists are too lazy debating the PIE homeland.
    Which runs would you do to pin point if someone has Northern European admixture?

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