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    Thumbs down The fallacy of DNA when used to identify someone's ethnicity

    Some months ago, I've decided to do an ancestry.com DNA test to see what I'm made of. As far as I know, half of my ancestors were German speakers, while the other half were Romanian speakers. However, among my German speaking forebears some had Slovak surnames, while among Romanian forebears some had Hungarian or Greek surnames and one looked Gypsy admixed.

    So in January I've finally ordered an Ancestry DNA test and now results have arrived.

    AncestryDNA results:

    Europe East: 41% (they pinpoint Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland & Lithuania)
    Great Britain: 22% (WTF!!!)
    Europe South: 15%
    Caucasus: 5%
    European Jewish: 5%
    Iberian Peninsula: 5%
    Europe West: 4%
    Finland/Northwest Russia: < 1%
    Middle East: < 1%
    Asia South: < 1%

    Finding results pretty absurd, I've decided to download my DNA and upload it to other sites for a second guess.

    MyHeritage results:

    Eastern European: 69,0%
    - Balkans: 57,9%
    - Broadly Eastern European: 11,1%
    Southern European: 12,4%
    - Iberian: 12,4% (!!!)
    Northern and Western Europe: 7,3%
    - Scandinavian: 7,3%
    British Isles: 0%
    Ashkenazi Jewish: 2,1%
    West Asian: 8,2%
    East Asian: 1,0%

    Then continued to GEDMATCH and got similar wildly different or plain absurd results. To me all of this sure looks like reading the horoscope (pretentious pseudo science in its purity). Therefore, I'll stick to racial anthropology which provides FAR more reliable results and proved itself to be a science (only not an exact one). Based on racial anthropology:

    - my father (3/4 German, 1/4 Romanian) looks typical German: Nordo-Faelid mixed with some Alpine-Med
    - my mother (1/4 German, 3/4 Romanian) looks typical Romanian: Nordo-Baltid mixed with strong Alpine-Med

    If you look at them, or at their parents, their looks reflect their ethnicity. This is science!
    Last edited by aherne; 03-19-2018 at 07:59 PM.

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    Nice results man, plan on doing GEDmatch any time soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aherne View Post
    Based on racial anthropology:

    - my father (3/4 German, 1/4 Romanian) looks typical German: Nordo-Faelid mixed with some Alpine-Med
    - my mother (1/4 German, 3/4 Romanian) looks typical Romanian: Nordo-Baltid mixed with strong Alpine-Med

    If you look at them, or at their parents, their looks reflect their ethnicity. This is science!
    It's not, it's psuedo-science.

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    Correct me if im wrong...

    a)Percentages from these tests can vary from your known ancestry, because of how much dna you get from each ancestor varies.
    b)You may not know the exact details of who your grandparents ancestry were (they could be mixed).
    c)These "ethnic" ancestry dna tests are far from being accurate. They are better at seperating continental, "racial" groups.
    d)Each testing website can use different criteria for regional, ancestrial, cluster groups.
    e)Its not really science or pseudo science... rather quasi science

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    Everyone looks Jewish to me.

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    Show your GEDmatch results and we'll see. Ancestry is not very accurate in your case indeed.

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    Cool results, Dont trust the european jewish or caucasus its just noise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Show your GEDmatch results and we'll see. Ancestry is not very accurate in your case indeed.
    OK... Which one would you trust?

    MDLP K16 :
    Serbian_Serbia 2.934003
    Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.119933
    Croat_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.486447
    Moldavian_Molodva 3.650102
    Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.675013
    Montenegrian_Montenegro 3.727459
    Romanian_Apuseni 3.852831
    Croat_Croatia 4.174292
    Austrian_Austria 5.217658
    Romanian_Gorj 5.36755
    Macedonian_Macedonia 5.91235
    Slovenian_Slovenia 5.934282
    Italian_Friul 6.489211
    German_SouthGermany 6.558012
    Swiss_Switzerland 6.767792
    Bulgarian_Bulgaria 6.919811
    Hungarian_Budapest 7.140243
    Bulgarian_Bulgaria 7.227251
    French_EastFrance 7.269889
    Hungarian_Hungary 7.588099

    MDLP K23B:
    German-Volga_ 6.45425
    Italian_North_ 7.267709
    South_German_ 9.189939
    Serb_Serbia_ 9.535735
    Bulgarian_ 9.898164
    Montenegrian_ 9.974197
    Macedonian_ 11.028214
    Irish_ 11.189871
    Belgian_ 11.193378
    Dutch_ 11.284018
    Frisian_ 11.372464
    English_ 11.492373
    Austrian_ 11.761962
    German_East_ 11.864394
    Kosovar_ 13.002423
    North_European_ 13.050632
    English_Kent_GBR_ 13.083436
    English_Cornwall_GBR_ 13.201774
    Greek_Northwest_ 13.343715
    Welsh_ 13.699927


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    Quote Originally Posted by aherne View Post
    OK... Which one would you trust?

    MDLP K16 :
    Serbian_Serbia 2.934003
    Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.119933
    Croat_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.486447
    Moldavian_Molodva 3.650102
    Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.675013
    Montenegrian_Montenegro 3.727459
    Romanian_Apuseni 3.852831
    Croat_Croatia 4.174292
    Austrian_Austria 5.217658
    Romanian_Gorj 5.36755
    Macedonian_Macedonia 5.91235
    Slovenian_Slovenia 5.934282
    Italian_Friul 6.489211
    German_SouthGermany 6.558012
    Swiss_Switzerland 6.767792
    Bulgarian_Bulgaria 6.919811
    Hungarian_Budapest 7.140243
    Bulgarian_Bulgaria 7.227251
    French_EastFrance 7.269889
    Hungarian_Hungary 7.588099

    MDLP K23B:
    German-Volga_ 6.45425
    Italian_North_ 7.267709
    South_German_ 9.189939
    Serb_Serbia_ 9.535735
    Bulgarian_ 9.898164
    Montenegrian_ 9.974197
    Macedonian_ 11.028214
    Irish_ 11.189871
    Belgian_ 11.193378
    Dutch_ 11.284018
    Frisian_ 11.372464
    English_ 11.492373
    Austrian_ 11.761962
    German_East_ 11.864394
    Kosovar_ 13.002423
    North_European_ 13.050632
    English_Kent_GBR_ 13.083436
    English_Cornwall_GBR_ 13.201774
    Greek_Northwest_ 13.343715
    Welsh_ 13.699927

    Post Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aherne View Post

    MDLP K16 :
    Serbian_Serbia 2.934003

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