The fallacy of DNA when used to identify someone's ethnicity

[aherne]

Post Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b please.

Eurogenes K13
Serbian 6.364151
Romanian 7.703753
Bulgarian 10.653673
Moldavian 11.331934
Hungarian 11.594993
Austrian 12.808122
Croatian 13.57568
East_German 15.068576
West_German 16.563581
North_Italian 17.023569
French 17.171921
South_Dutch 18.17486
Greek_Thessaly 18.36467
Portuguese 19.950708
Tuscan 20.014435
Spanish_Galicia 20.038834
Ukrainian_Lviv 20.71117
Spanish_Cataluna 20.854227
South_Polish 21.159929
Spanish_Extremadura 21.239807

Dodecad K12b

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanians_Behar @ 12.363100
2 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.034793
3 Hungarians_Behar @ 14.503826
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.542213
5 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.304138
6 German_Dodecad @ 16.366201
7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.206444
8 French_Dodecad @ 17.413237
9 French_HGDP @ 17.570856
10 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 18.115234
11 North_Italian_HGDP @ 19.558912
12 Dutch_Dodecad @ 20.066845
13 TSI30_Metspalu @ 20.723948
14 Kent_1000Genomes @ 21.583706
15 Tuscan_HGDP @ 21.806709
16 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 21.972960
17 English_Dodecad @ 22.133614
18 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 23.308119
19 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.473982
20 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 23.544386

[Smeagol]

Exactly, physical anthropology is much more useful.

[catgeorge]

Eurogenes K13
Serbian 6.364151
Romanian 7.703753
Bulgarian 10.653673
Moldavian 11.331934
Hungarian 11.594993
Austrian 12.808122
Croatian 13.57568
East_German 15.068576
West_German 16.563581
North_Italian 17.023569
French 17.171921
South_Dutch 18.17486
Greek_Thessaly 18.36467
Portuguese 19.950708
Tuscan 20.014435
Spanish_Galicia 20.038834
Ukrainian_Lviv 20.71117
Spanish_Cataluna 20.854227
South_Polish 21.159929
Spanish_Extremadura 21.239807


Anything below Serbian and Romanian is noise as distances are too far

[Oneeye]

Clearly an Anglo Saxon man is in your line. We get around, globally.

[Leto]

Eurogenes K13
Serbian 6.364151
Romanian 7.703753
Bulgarian 10.653673
Moldavian 11.331934
Hungarian 11.594993
Austrian 12.808122
Croatian 13.57568
East_German 15.068576
West_German 16.563581
North_Italian 17.023569
French 17.171921
South_Dutch 18.17486
Greek_Thessaly 18.36467
Portuguese 19.950708
Tuscan 20.014435
Spanish_Galicia 20.038834
Ukrainian_Lviv 20.71117
Spanish_Cataluna 20.854227
South_Polish 21.159929
Spanish_Extremadura 21.239807

Dodecad K12b

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanians_Behar @ 12.363100
2 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.034793
3 Hungarians_Behar @ 14.503826
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.542213
5 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.304138
6 German_Dodecad @ 16.366201
7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.206444
8 French_Dodecad @ 17.413237
9 French_HGDP @ 17.570856
10 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 18.115234
11 North_Italian_HGDP @ 19.558912
12 Dutch_Dodecad @ 20.066845
13 TSI30_Metspalu @ 20.723948
14 Kent_1000Genomes @ 21.583706
15 Tuscan_HGDP @ 21.806709
16 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 21.972960
17 English_Dodecad @ 22.133614
18 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 23.308119
19 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.473982
20 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 23.544386

I mean the whole calculator results. Admixture.

[Petalpusher]

Your matches are not very tight, which is normal if you have different ancestries, it's usually more useful to look at multi pop fits and mixed mode in those cases.

[mike86]

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[Not a Cop]

Then continued to GEDMATCH and got similar wildly different or plain absurd results. To me all of this sure looks like reading the horoscope (pretentious pseudo science in its purity). Therefore, I'll stick to racial anthropology which provides FAR more reliable results and proved itself to be a science (only not an exact one). Based on racial anthropology:

- my father (3/4 German, 1/4 Romanian) looks typical German: Nordo-Faelid mixed with some Alpine-Med
- my mother (1/4 German, 3/4 Romanian) looks typical Romanian: Nordo-Baltid mixed with strong Alpine-Med

If you look at them, or at their parents, their looks reflect their ethnicity. This is science!

If you don't understand something it doesn't mean that it's wrong. You took the worst possible test and your knowledge of pop. genetics is very limited.

Speaking in anthro terms, you in genetics is like someone who count both baltids and nordids of the same type basing on pigmentation.

[Leto]

If you don't understand something it doesn't mean that it's wrong. You took the worst possible test and your knowledge of pop. genetics is very limited.

Speaking in anthro terms, you in genetics is like someone who count both baltids and nordids of the same type basing on pigmentation.

He could at least post some calculator results. All he has posted so far is a couple of GEDmatch oracles without any admix results.

[aherne]

If you don't understand something it doesn't mean that it's wrong. You took the worst possible test and your knowledge of pop. genetics is very limited.

Speaking in anthro terms, you in genetics is like someone who count both baltids and nordids of the same type basing on pigmentation.

Ok, enlighten me of the "correct" test that fits the criteria of science