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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    Something I do not understand is why? the British did not expand the 13 colonies that could expand their colonies in the United States to the west the 13 colonies would not be 13 would be more but why did not it?
    Depends on what you mean. After the revolutionary war the English used the Scots-Irish as a buffer between them and the Indians. Eventually the English people made it all the way out to Utah etc... In significant numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gota_type_ View Post
    It was us Spaniards that were decisive in your independence. Just search about the figure of Bernaldo de Galvez. George Washington told him to walk on his right on 4th of July because of the importance of Spain soldiers and Spain money. And this is not-explained on USA schools and they prefer to take the reference of France, which did very little for the freedom of the USA. And if we did not sell the Louisiana (30% of today´s USA territory) the USA would be much smaller, or we would have engaged in a much more cruel war.
    I'm afraid you're mistaken. The American War of Independence was largely a matter of Hanoverian Whig English, Jacobite Tory Scottish and the French. All others were only tangentially involved. Spain's interest was Florida, not even Louisiana. France got revenge for losing Canada by making Britain lose America, so Louisiana was returned to them. Holland, Hesse and Prussia were involved for other reasons--mostly economic and geostrategic, but mostly didn't want to take sides, or at least had no stake in the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Depends on what you mean. After the revolutionary war the English used the Scots-Irish as a buffer between them and the Indians. Eventually the English people made it all the way out to Utah etc... In significant numbers.
    Those territories were claimed later, but by the United States free from the British crown (at that time, the French didn't care about Louisiana either and sold it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordarya View Post
    I'm afraid you're mistaken. The American War of Independence was largely a matter of Hanoverian Whig English, Jacobite Tory Scottish and the French. All others were only tangentially involved. Spain's interest was Florida, not even Louisiana. France got revenge for losing Canada by making Britain lose America, so Louisiana was returned to them. Holland, Hesse and Prussia were involved for other reasons--mostly economic and geostrategic, but mostly didn't want to take sides, or at least had no stake in the outcome.
    The participation of the Dutch and the Germans was like mercernary a little less than the Spaniards (who were soldiers of the Spanish government)

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    The failure of a French expedition to recapture Haiti (1800-1802), made the defense of French North America logistically untenable. So Napoleon happily agreed to sell French possessions in North America for $15,000,000, under the terms of the Louisiana Purchase, in 1803. The $15,000,000 proved beneficial for Napoleon's Empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    The participation of the Dutch and the Germans was like mercernary a little less than the Spaniards (who were soldiers of the Spanish government)
    Spain had no interest in the 13 States, just extorting Florida back, related to revenge for British occupation of Havana.

    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    The failure of a French expedition to recapture Haiti (1800-1802), made the defense of French North America logistically untenable. So Napoleon happily agreed to sell French possessions in North America for $15,000,000, under the terms of the Louisiana Purchase, in 1803. The $15,000,000 proved beneficial for Napoleon's Empire.
    Unsavable nigs, so no point to White Man's Burden. What a money pit, trying to civilise Africa Nova. Too bad priests and politicians don't learn from history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordarya View Post
    Spain had no interest in the 13 States, just extorting Florida back, related to revenge for British occupation of Havana.
    British occupation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    British occupation?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-...62%E2%80%9363)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Coast_campaign
    Had nothing to do with Americans, only it was simultaneous. Spain got Florida and gave back Louisiana to France.

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