Where did the rumor originate that western Irish people are Basque-like?

[Bellbeaking]

Stoke, so in the Northern half.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...U2TzH0/pubhtml

this 'study' was on SE england and found very little difference between eng/scot/scandi - only france was an outlier in the n.europe section. I don't know what is wrong with Haak et al 2015, but there is no way england and scotland would plot right next to one another on a PCA if their ancestral compositions where that different.

[Grace O'Malley]

I assume you're referring to that famous orange-blue-green chart? I haven't seen such figures anywhere else. That chart is obviously not accurate, the difference in deep ancestry it portrays between say Scots and English is not realistic (Scots are 2x as WHG as English?)

The differences in Steppe-WHG-EEF across the British Isles (and core NW Europe) aren't very big.

My mother from England in G25

[1] "distance%=4.0736"

Yamnaya_Samara,48.6
Barcin_N,37.2
WHG,14.2

Father from Ireland

[1] "distance%=6.1032"

Yamnaya_Samara,49.6
Barcin_N,35
WHG,15.4

Me

[1] "distance%=5.8442"

Yamnaya_Samara,48.8
Barcin_N,36.4
WHG,14.8

This is mine.

Fit 4.4824

Barcin 33.33
WHG 14.17
Yamnaya_Samara 52.5

[Grace O'Malley]

I thought Iberian Beakers were mostly Neolithic in origin? Wasn't it merely a cultural diffusion of pottery for Iberia rather than population hybridization/replacement?

Yes there are two different groups that were called Beakers. The Beakers that originated in Iberia were Neolithic, had no Steppe component and were non R1b. The confusion is that both were named Beakers. The Rhenish Beakers carrying the Steppe component and R1b went all over Western Europe so you know the rest.

[Peterski]

Yes there are two different groups that were called Beakers. The Beakers that originated in Iberia were Neolithic, had no Steppe component and were non R1b. The confusion is that both were named Beakers. The Rhenish Beakers carrying the Steppe component and R1b went all over Western Europe so you know the rest.

I wonder if those were really Rhenish Beakers or rather NW French Beakers (as you know we still don't have DNA from this group). Based on this map, NW France had a much higher concentration of Beaker population that Rhineland:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/0...erhighway.html

[Grace O'Malley]

I wonder if those were really Rhenish Beakers or rather NW French Beakers (as you know we still don't have DNA from this group). Based on this map, NW France had a much higher concentration of Beaker population that Rhineland:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/0...erhighway.html

They were the same as Dutch Beakers and now Davidski thinks that the Dutch and British beakers were an offshoot of Corded Ware. Davidski thinks now it was these Dutch Beakers that spread and mixed with different populations creating the differences in Beakers.

[Grace O'Malley]

I wonder if those were really Rhenish Beakers or rather NW French Beakers (as you know we still don't have DNA from this group). Based on this map, NW France had a much higher concentration of Beaker population that Rhineland:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/0...erhighway.html

What's the best model to use if you want to see how much Beaker a population has?

[Creoda]

What's the best model to use if you want to see how much Beaker a population has?

According to the model by Token, average Irish are about 85-86% Northern (Dutch) Beaker, you would be about that.

[Bellbeaking]