Where did the rumor originate that western Irish people are Basque-like?

[Daco Celtic]

Most of them returned to Spain but a tiny minority remained in Ireland, so that is not a mythic assumption.
What is a myth is that dark haired Irish descend of those sailors and soldiers.

I agree. My Irish half is from Cork at the very southern end of Ireland and there was a belief, even among my Irish grandparents, that Spanish sailors bred with the local population. There is a similar belief with Norwegians that Portuguese sailors shipwrecked along the west coast of Norway and intermingled with local population. That is supposed to explain dark Norwegians. I don't doubt there was some contact, but I find it far fetched that a small group of sailors could have such a big genetic impact on Northern European countries. I mean how much action did these sailors get? I also see very little DNA evidence to support this theory. I've read dark features have always been present in Northern Europe and date back to the neanderthal.

[Grace O'Malley]

Most of them returned to Spain but a tiny minority remained in Ireland, so that is not a mythic assumption.
What is a myth is that dark haired Irish descend of those sailors and soldiers.

The myth is that forces from the Spanish Armada survived in enough numbers to alter the Irish gene pool and be the cause of people like HoboJim getting Iberian from an Irish grandparent. As I've pointed out the majority of Irish don't even get Iberian let alone enough to pass on to grandchildren who only have one Irish grandparent. Most people have no idea of what Irish genetics are like.

Very good article below.

On September 16, 1588 seven Spanish ships appeared off Liscannor, sighted by Nicholas Cahane, an agent of Boetius Clancy, the High Sherriff of County Clare. They were the miserable remnants of a once mighty Spanish fleet.

They anchored off Kilrush, where the starving sailors attempted to trade with the locals for food and water. Six ships sailed away unscathed, but another, the Annunciada sank off Scattery Island, was set alight by crew and looted by locals. Two other ships were also lost: the San Estaban and San Marcos, with the loss of around 800 lives.

Crawling ashore, half drowned, malnourished and in no fit state to resist, the survivors, about 300 men, were massacred at Spanish Point by both Irish forces raised by the O’Briens and English soldiers led by the Sherriff, Boetius Clancy. [1]

http://www.theirishstory.com/2015/08.../#.XEBgw1wzbIU

[Bellbeaking]

From retards tbh

[Bellbeaking]

I've always had the idea that Iberians and Brits share some genetics..

They do share a little in that they are both Europeans.

British Neolithics where similar to Basque ones.
They both had Beaker input (R1b) But it was 90% on the Irish/British side and only 40% (100% Y-DNA) on the Iberian side.
They both likely had some later Celtic and Germanic migrations into their countries.

But overall, Brits/Irish are closer to Eastern European populations than Iberian's. Oppenheimer and Sykes are a little irresponsible. Many people still believe there is some sort of Basque-Irish Celtic or Neolithic link even though Autosomal DNA is good enough to disprove this completely.

[CordedWhelp]

There is a connection, but right, it isn't Basque per se, but rather iberian beakers (although the british are perhaps more northern beaker? I may need to recheck)

[Bellbeaking]

There is a connection, but right, it isn't Basque per se, but rather iberian beakers (although the british are perhaps more northern beaker? I may need to recheck)

Its a little complex. British Neolithics where like Iberian Neolithics.

Britian was then 90% overtuned by Rhine Beakers, and spain 40% (but 90-100% on the y side)



It gets confusing because spain was already bell beaker before this culturally, just without any genetic similarity to the Rhine Beakers who where like 70% steppe. Whereas the spanish beakers (prior to the R1b invasion) where mostly just EEF

I think Britain today is Steppe-EEF-WHG 43-42-15 or so and spain is 75-25-0

[CordedWhelp]

Its a little complex. British Neolithics where like Iberian Neolithics.

Britian was then 90% overtuned by Rhine Beakers, and spain 40% (but 90-100% on the y side)



It gets confusing because spain was already bell beaker before this culturally, just without any genetic similarity to the Rhine Beakers who where like 70% steppe. Whereas the spanish beakers (prior to the R1b invasion) where mostly EEF and a little WHG

That sounds right. I have a feeling this year we'll learn one or more interesting new tidbit about the Bell Beakers.

[Grace O'Malley]

There is a connection, but right, it isn't Basque per se, but rather iberian beakers (although the british are perhaps more northern beaker? I may need to recheck)

Irish aren't descended from Iberian beakers. Irish are descended from Rhenish Beakers like the British. Rhenish Beakers are the people that carried R1b. There is now discussion that Dutch and British Beakers are actually an offshoot of Corded Ware single grave. Why do the Irish plot a little more north of English if the British are more northern Beaker? They both had the same kind of Beaker group carrying a majority R1b-L21.

You can more about Bell Beakers and the Corded Ware connection here.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/0...l-beakers.html

The Beakers that went to Iberia also were Rhenish but they all came from more northern areas. Beakers that carried R1b didn't originate in Iberia.

[CordedWhelp]

Irish aren't descended from Iberian beakers. Irish are descended from Rhenish Beakers like the British. Rhenish Beakers are the people that carried R1b. There is now discussion that Dutch and British Beakers are actually an offshoot of Corded Ware single grave. Why do the Irish plot a little more north of English if the British are more northern Beaker? They both had the same kind of Beaker group carrying a majority R1b-L21.

You can more about Bell Beakers and the Corded Ware connection here.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/0...l-beakers.html

The Beakers that went to Iberia also were Rhenish but they all came from more northern areas. Beakers that carried R1b didn't originate in Iberia.

I'm well aware of what is being argued here and frequent Davidski's blog. I also don't appreciate being addressed like I am a child. No hard feelings, though.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm well aware of what is being argued here and frequent Davidski's blog. I also don't appreciate being addressed like I am a child. No hard feelings, though.

How was I addressing you like a child? I was just clarifying that the Beakers that came to Ireland were the same as the Beakers that came to Britain because your post implied that they were different.