Islamism in Turkey.

[Teutone]

Glad you admit the Turks in Germany are different from actual Turks like you

Only with this seperation there wont be any more hate between Germans and Turks.

[Marmara]

I think many islamist in Turkey are hungarians, indo-iranians and gypsies. Sadly no one wants to admit this.

Are you a troll? I have seen you shitting on Hungarians before.

[Marmara]

Glad you admit the Turks in Germany are different from actual Turks like you

Only with this seperation there wont be any more hate between Germans and Turks.

I don't admit it to ordinary westerners, because they wouldn't understand. I would not be writing such stuff in other places, many people here know me so they would understand me. Also I was angered by some Islamist bullshit so decided to open this thread.

[Yaglakar]

Previous parties were just as stupid.

My thread was about a spesific culture group in Turkey, not politics or Erdogan. These people happens to be supporting Erdogan but not for good reason.

It is important because Islamists, moderate ones if you will, have enabled a Turkish rise improving the great majority of livelihoods. Ataturkists did not do it, or at least were not at the forefront of decision making. Many people are obviously linking their improved lives with the accomplishments of moderate Islamists in charge drawing the line towards Ottoman past and discrediting secular republican period due to its deficiencies and failings.

[Böri]

Germany supported radical Islamist dissents from Turkey for decades like they did with dissents from other ideologies. Germans wanted to weaken the Turkic consciousness of immigrants workers there by spreading internationalist ideologies (Radical Islamism, Communism etc) among them. The radicalisation of Alevis was also part of the German policy. Now Germans laughing is weird.

[adsız]

In all fairness, AKP did a better job with the economy management over the years than previous parties, don't you think? Introduction of well-balanced liberalization and fiscal disciple among many other things. What has been the proportion of secular technocrats in the state apparatus, and their role, if any?

Actually almost all economies in the world got grown fast since 2000. Except some countires like Greece. It would be same for any other ruling party in place of AKP.

[Teutone]

Germany supported radical Islamist dissents from Turkey for decades like they did with dissents from other ideologies. Germans wanted to weaken the Turkic consciousness of immigrants workers there by spreading internationalist ideologies (Radical Islamism, Communism etc) among them. The radicalisation of Alevis was also part of the German policy. Now Germans laughing is weird.

Why would we want to do this? What would be the benefit of radicalize them? You ever been here? If you would have been, you would notice that the ones that radicalize the turkish immigrants are the other immigrants from arab countries.

[Marmara]

It is important because Islamists, moderate ones if you will, have enabled a Turkish rise improving the great majority of livelihoods. Ataturkists did not do it, or at least were not at the forefront of decision making. Many people are obviously linking their improved lives with the accomplishments of moderate Islamists in charge drawing the line towards Ottoman past and discrediting secular republican period due to its deficiencies and failings.

We haven't actually had much Kemalist regimes after 1950, but I'm not a Kemalist myself. Erdogan is doing terrible in many fields.

[Marmara]

Why would we want to do this? What would be the benefit of radicalize them? You ever been here? If you would have been, you would notice that the ones that radicalize the turkish immigrants are the other immigrants from arab countries.

Gulenists and PKK definetly had German support. Your government doesn't only ruin Germany.

[Pennywise]