Last Byzantine Emperor was chosen and approved by Turks

[RN97]

1. You're putting Albanians on the same list as Slavs, while they were an actual enemy of the Byzantine Empire to a large degree, while Albanians weren't.

2. You're saying it was the "barbarians" that allowed Ottoman domination, but it was those barbarians that did the most fighting against the "Ottoman domination". Byzantines got rekt by both Crusaders and Ottomans, it was Slavs, Hungarians, Romanians, Albanians etc that fought them across the balkans once the byzantine empire fell. Don't try to portray it as a Greek struggle against the Ottomans that failed due to barbarians, when the truth is that the only reason you didn't completely get slaughtered without any historical mention of resistance is because of those barbarians and foreigners.

This is just factually wrong and no source supports this. IDK why you'd even say this. None of these people ever tried to push the Turks back to "save" the Greeks or anything. Most were fully conquered and they were busy fighting the Turks away from their lands, never mind pushing the Turks back of Greek land. IDK what you're even on about. The Greeks did suffer a great bit under Ottoman rule and they did suffer genocides.

[Böri]

Armenians speak IE. Urarteans were neither IE nor Semites such as Assyrians. Armenians can't pretend to Urartean heritage, their language and identity are an invader's intrusion into that region.

[Thanas Django]

Armenians speak IE. Urarteans were neither IE nor Semites such as Assyrians. Armenians can't pretend to Urartean heritage, their language and identity are an invader's intrusion into that region.

If I ever decide to ask a Turk about Armenians I'll let you know.

[Böri]

Constantine XI Paleologos was of the Ultimus Romanorum (Last of the Romans). And he was vassal of Turks.

[Voskos]

Armenians speak IE. Urarteans were neither IE nor Semites such as Assyrians. Armenians can't pretend to Urartean heritage, their language and identity are an invader's intrusion into that region.

Turks are at least 10% Armenian on average.

[Voskos]

It's often believed Ottomans took an independent Byzatium in 1453. It was not like that. Byzantium had become vassal of Turks.
The good example for this it's that the last Byzantine emperor Constantine XI Paleologos was chosen and approved by Murad II.

After infightings broke as who will become emperor, Constantine and his brother Demetrios were racing for the crown.
Their mother (Serbian) empress Helena Dragas asked Murad II to decide.
Murad II chose Constantine and he became (the last) emperor of Byzantium.



Greeks moaning about 1453 thus makes no sense.
Byzantium already fell after 1204 and in 1453 it already became vassal of Turks.

A 'state, which leader is chosen by others already belongs to those others.

Most Western politicians of today are chosen and approved by Turks as well.Even Balkanite and Greek politicians are chosen by Turks, as most people in the region are former Ottoman subjects aka ''rayah'', often also proud of it.

[Böri]

Most Western politicians of today are chosen and approved by Turks as well.Even Balkanite and Greek politicians are chosen by Turks, as most people in the region are former Ottoman subjects aka ''rayah'', often also proud of it.

I provided the story and the source for Constantine XI. Today nobody in Balkan Orthodox countries is selected by Turks. But once upon a time it was like that in Wallachia etc.

[Thunder_shock]

That has to do with the production system and lifestyle. Building statues, temples, drainage systems was for the agriculturalist settled folks of Middle East and Mediterranean basin.
Turkic civilizations and states were pastoralist and nomad; nomads don't spend time for this since their life style make them unnecessary and loss of time (despite this, Turkic khaganate left behind monumental complexes and monumental sarcophagus).
Turkic civilizations shifted to sedentary later and developed their own ways, though it took time and faced different problems.

In terms of reaching zenith, considering pastoralist lifestyle, the Turkic civilizations were at most advanced levels.

When did Turks become sedentary?

[Böri]

When did Turks become sedentary?

Ruling elite during the 11th century, mass of population gradually and that took until 16th century. Semi-nomadism continued until the early 21st century.

[Thanas Django]

I provided the story and the source for Constantine XI. Today nobody in Balkan Orthodox countries is selected by Turks. But once upon a time it was like that in Wallachia etc.

It probably didn't work out well for anyone, because it's been discontinued.