Columbus Day - how italo-americans celebrate their roots

[GiCa]

You are still here arguing? Go to bed kid.

I Don t think he s totally wrong.

He just try to explain that columbus is not an hero. Honestly I m learning things. And if those things are true it s fair that he pinpoints the massacres.

He doesn't t want Italians not to celebrate, he wants to Open their eyes and make them celebrate a parade with not the columbus hero

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

You are still here arguing? Go to bed kid.

Well he isnt. So its stupid you have this attatchment to him like he is your great great granpa or something and shaming him is shaming your family. Get real he was a scum bag. And he did nothing for italy. You are weird to be proud of him. Theres much more things to be proud of in italian history than someone who never even had offspring in italy or did anything for italy. All he did was in the spanish crown.
Italy has alot of contrubutions in math and science in ancient times. But here you are fighting for a scum bag for your day off... pretty stupid to me.

[dperucca]

I Don t think he s totally wrong.

He just try to explain that columbus is not an hero. Honestly I m learning things. And if those things are true it s fair that he pinpoints the massacres.

He doesn't t want Italians not to celebrate, he wants to Open their eyes and make them celebrate a parade with not the columbus hero

forse questo è vero but I get defensive because I hear a lot of hateful propaganda here in the US that is ridiculous.

[dperucca]

Well he isnt. So its stupid you have this attatchment to him like he is your great great granpa or something and shaming him is shaming your family. Get real he was a scum bag. And he did nothing for italy. You are weird to be proud of him. Theres much more things to be proud of in italian history than someone who never even had offspring in italy or did anything for italy. All he did was in the spanish crown.
Italy has alot of contrubutions in math and science in ancient times. But here you are fighting for a scum bag for your day off... pretty stupid to me.

Who are you proud of? You just repeated a point I made earlier on in this thread. I'm done now.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Who are you proud of? You just repeated a point I made earlier on in this thread. I'm done now.

? If thats your point why are you bothered about columbus being called a scumbag for? He was.

[dperucca]

? If thats your point why are you bothered about columbus being called a scumbag for? He was.

I was more annoyed because you have no real sources. I have a long weekend. If you find anything compelling worthy of discussion come back and let me know. Until then good night

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I was more annoyed because you have no real sources. I have a long weekend. If you find anything compelling worthy of discussion come back and let me know. Until then good night

I gave you a .edu source and directed you to google. You havnt provided anything

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

There are even monuments of him in italy

It will be hard, if it s true declasdificate him not to an hero

This is found in Genova

They have a monument of him in the dominican republic. Its embarrassing.

[Cristiano viejo]

o 1.1 million, according to a census done by Bartholomew Columbus.

By 1516, the indigenous population was 12,000, and according to Las Casas (who were there) by 1542 fewer than 200 natives were alive. By 1555, every single one was dead.

Quoting Bartolomé de las Casas as a legit source is a joke, he has been refuted by 100% (I repeat 100%) of historians.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Columbus had his own interest and motives but with that said he certainly was a risk taker and did somethings no one else would of ever of tried.

It is unfair to judge a man of the 15th to the standards of the 21th century this seems to be something no one cares to think about it gets annoying.

It very well is. Because its not like he had to do all those things to survive. He just wanted wealth and prestige and he didnt care how many lives he had to destroy to get it. Simply calling him a risk takers doesnt mean hes better. Firefighters are risk takers. They save lives doing their job and put their life in danger to save others. They dont destroy peoples lives. He was a scum bag. Even at his time many didnt like what he did. Even queen isabella found it horrible what he did. Telling about his "standard" is a weak excuse.