Proto-Celtic/Celtic ethnogenesis?

[Treffie]

I am from Cantabria, my ancestors were Celtic peoples, regardless of the language I speak now. Is a chinesse speiaking Celt a true Celt?

Indeed they were, but are you? Language is a huge part of the Celtic identity. As I mentioned earlier, no place in Iberia is Celtic these days, because of the lack of a Celtic language. Being a Celtic romanticist doesn't mean that one is Celtic either. If we look back in history, then fine, Iberia was definitely a Celtic area.

[Lábaru]

Indeed they were, but are you? Language is a huge part of the Celtic identity. As I mentioned earlier, no place in Iberia is Celtic these days, because of the lack of a Celtic language. Being a Celtic romanticist doesn't mean that one is Celtic either. If we look back in history, then fine, Iberia was definitely a Celtic area.

I understand your point of view but I am not agree. In the same way that a future wales full of black/asians immigrants (I hope no, only is a example) speaking a Celtic language to me it would be no Celtic. For me the language no is the priority.

Either way if we talk about preserving Celtic culture, that's a different thing.

[Treffie]

In the same way that a future wales full of black/asians immigrants (I hope no, only is a example) speaking a Celtic language to me it would be no Celtic.

Of course not, they would be Welsh speaking blacks/Asians etc.

[Lábaru]

Of course not, they would Welsh speaking blacks/Asians etc.

That's the point, I speak a Latin changed or distorted by time, but as a Cantabrian my origins are Celtic people of my signature.



This is a "Lábaru Cántabru" an ancient Celt flag of my people.



"Etymologically, the word comes from (p)lab- which means to speak in a number of Celtic languages, many of which have derivatives. For example, in Welsh llafar means "speech", "language", "voice". Ancient Cornish and Breton have lavar, "word", and ancient Irish has labrad: "language", "speech".[1]"

"Through the Cantabrian War and the surrender of the Cantabri and Astures to Rome, the Roman legions adopted from them the solar symbol of twin crosses and lunar symbols, such as the Cantabri lábaro. They would still be carrying this standard 300 years later. The Roman army also copied from the Cantabri the cavalry tactics circulus cantabricus and cantabricus impetus as already mentioned."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1baru

[Ibericus]

If Spain is one of the most Celtic, where are its Celtic languages?

I hate to sound biased, but Wales is probably the most Celtic place on earth.

Welsh the most Celtic place why ? They are mostly english speakers today, a germanic language, and have a large germanic ethnic component. Only 22% of Welsh can speak welsh language. About 3/4 of Iberia was celtic-speakin area, the only difference is that Spain was Romanized and Latin made it's official language, while Wales not.

[Comte Arnau]

Welsh the most Celtic place why ?

Because it is the traditionally Celtic place on Earth with the largest number of Celtic speakers in the world?

[Don]

Welsh the most Celtic place why ? They are mostly english speakers today, a germanic language, and have a large germanic ethnic component. Only 22% of Welsh can speak welsh language. About 3/4 of Iberia was celtic-speakin area, the only difference is that Spain was Romanized and Latin made it's official language, while Wales not.

Racially speaking, the modern Iberians are the most pure inheritors of these ancient tribes of the Western Europe, these owners of the traits related (wrongly or not) to the modern concept of Celts.

A random guy from wales whose ancestors came to these ancient atlantic lands from central Europe or Northern Europe claiming himself celt, linking himself to the Stonenhenge and ancient cults of the west and speaking a gaelic language, is a fake, as a African calling himself American or a Muslim Calling himself Spaniard just because he and his children live in here and speak castilian.

Behind all these facts there is the main reason of so many ethno-stealing propaganda by the usurpers of cultures.


I guess it depends on visions, I have mine very clear:



Teach these random spaniard men and women their lost language and you will have an Authentic "Celt".

Their traditions do the rest:

Spoiler!

-Notice that these are exclusively pictures from only one of the Tribes and regions of Spain, the Cántabros (dedicado a Caballo Loco)-




Anyone can learn a language.
But no one can change his genes and blood.

[Comte Arnau]

Anyone can learn a language.
But no one can change his genes and blood.

Learning the language doesn't make you become part of an ethnicity.
But losing the language gets you out of that ethnicity too.

[Ibericus]

Because it is the traditionally Celtic place on Earth with the largest number of Celtic speakers in the world?

Celtic is not only language. It's culture, it's ancestry. Because Celts don't exist today anymore. Or do you consider a japanese who knows spanish to be...spanish ?

[Comte Arnau]

Celtic is not only language. It's culture, it's ancestry. Because Celts don't exist today anymore. Or do you consider a japanese who knows spanish to be...spanish ?

Do you consider Spanish a Russian whose grandfather was Spanish?