gedmatch"Mainlander"South West Peloponnese" to Islander "Dodecanese "

[Tauromachos]

Sorry it is North West Peloponnese"Korinthian" not South West,a blunder from my side

How do they compare?
Discuss both similarities and difference

I emphasized some things a found interesting for example i marked the population both of them share with each other in their closest five
in blue.


Differences in their SW Euro,West Asian and NE Euro components
SW Euro: Mainlander>Islander but only 0.46%
West Asian: Islander>Mainlander 4,52%
NE Euro:Mainlander>Islander 8.43%

Common overlapps in their top 10 but not top 5 are marked green

Found them as public kits on Gedmatch. Interestingly both results show similar patters as South-Western Europe is the dominant in both.


Greek Mainlander from Korinthos, Peloponnese: Kit Number: A536651 (Puntdnal K13 Global)




1 SW_Europe 37.82
2 West_Asia 23.8
3 NE_Europe 19.94
4 SW_Asia 13.59
5 NE_Asia 1.05
6 SE_Asia 0.99
7 Oceania 0.9
8 West_Africa 0.6
9 Siberia 0.55
10 South_Asia 0.45
11 Americas 0.23
12 South_Africa 0.08


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 3.39
2 Italian_Abruzzo 3.7
3 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.27
4 Italian_Sicilian 5.47
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.36
6 Albanian 7.99
7 Sephardic_Jew 9.23
8 Kosovar 9.26
9 Italian_Tuscan 9.76
10 Bulgarian 13.99
11 Macedonian 14.4
12 Italian_Bergamo 15.73
13 Turkish 15.87
14 Romanian 16.28
15 Montenegrin 17.06
16 Cypriot 17.14
17 Turkish_Aydin 17.66
18 Turkish_Kayseri 18.48
19 Serbian 19.6
20 Balkar 20.86


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 8.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 1.99


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 8.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 1.99
2 85% Italian_Abruzzo + 15% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.04
3 89.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.8% Nogay @ 2.06
4 93.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 6.3% Afghan_Hazara @ 2.18
5 91.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 8.4% Tadjik @ 2.22
6 67.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 32.1% Albanian @ 2.25
7 84.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 15.7% Turkish @ 2.27
8 66% Ashkenazy_Jew + 34% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.28
9 87.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 12.3% Balkar @ 2.29
10 88.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 11.5% Kumyk @ 2.29
11 86.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 13.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.34
12 89.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 10.2% Scottish @ 2.35
13 79.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 20.5% Bulgarian @ 2.35
14 88.7% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.3% German_South @ 2.37
15 71.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 28.4% Kosovar @ 2.38
16 94.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 5.8% Burusho @ 2.38
17 90% Ashkenazy_Jew + 10% Orcadian @ 2.39
18 84.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 15.4% Serbian @ 2.39
19 90.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 9.9% Irish @ 2.39
20 89.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 10.4% English @ 2.39

Dodecanese Islander
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 37.36
2 West_Asia 27.66
3 SW_Asia 18.51
4 NE_Europe 11.51
5 SE_Asia 1.97
6 South_Asia 1.65
7 West_Africa 1.07
8 Siberia 0.2
9 East_Africa 0.08


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jew 4.68
2 Italian_Sicilian 6.1
3 Ashkenazy Jew 6.53
4 Cypriot 8.28
5 Italian_Abruzzo 11.47
6 Greek_Central 11.48
7 Turkish 12.26
8 Lebanese_Christian 13.3
9 Syrian 13.42
10 Turkish_Kayseri 13.81
11 Lebanese_Druze 13.88
12 Lebanese_Muslim 14.77
13 Jordanian 15.47
14 Turkish_Aydin 16.4
15 Greek_Thessaly 16.83
16 Albanian 17.52
17 Palestinian 18.28
18 Kosovar 18.77
19 Armenian 18.81
20 Assyrian 19


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.8% Italian_Sicilian + 29.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.9
2 71.8% Italian_Sicilian + 28.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.94
3 59.2% Italian_Sicilian + 40.8% Cypriot @ 2.94
4 73.1% Italian_Sicilian + 26.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.95
5 57.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 42.8% Cypriot @ 2.99
6 78.5% Italian_Sicilian + 21.5% Samaritan_Jew @ 3.13
7 71.4% Italian_Sicilian + 28.6% Syrian @ 3.13
8 84.8% Sephardic_Jew + 15.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.17
9 73.9% Lebanese_Druze + 26.1% French_Basque @ 3.18
10 69.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 30.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.24
11 72.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 27.4% French_Basque @ 3.27
12 74.8% Lebanese_Christian + 25.2% French_Basque @ 3.29
13 85.1% Sephardic_Jew + 14.9% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 3.29
14 77.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 22.7% Samaritan_Jew @ 3.3
15 70.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 29.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.37
16 72.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 27.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.38
17 80.6% Sephardic_Jew + 19.4% Turkish_Kayseri @ 3.38
18 78.7% Italian_Sicilian + 21.3% Assyrian @ 3.4
19 93% Sephardic_Jew + 7% Brahui @ 3.46
20 87.4% Sephardic_Jew + 12.6% Abkhasian @ 3.47

[Teucer]

And when did the 'Levantines' make it to the Dodecanese? Clearly there is more of an affiliation between Cypriots and the Islander here. It simply can't be Levantine unless there is a massive gap in my historical knowledge. It must be southern Anatolian. Lycian/Cilician heritage, not Phoenician, Lebanese or Syrian

[Tauromachos]

And when did the 'Levantines' make it to the Dodecanese? Clearly there is more of an affiliation between Cypriots and the Islander here. It simply can't be Levantine unless there is a massive gap in my historical knowledge. It must be southern Anatolian. Lycian/Cilician heritage, not Phoenician, Lebanese or Syrian

Its possible

But interestingly the difference in their West Asian component is pretty low 4-5%

The Mainlander shifts more towards Turkey and Central Asia and the Islander more towards Levante,Lebanese and Druze in the 2 populations modelling.

The Mainlander is about 8-9% more NE Euro

The Islander gets Cypriot in his top 5

The Mainlander gets it also but only in his top 20.

[Teucer]

Its possible

But interestingly the difference in their West Asian component is pretty low 4-5%

The Mainlander shifts more towards Turkey and Central Asia and the Islander more towards Levante,Lebanese and Druze in the 2 populations modelling.

The Mainlander is about 8-9% more NE Euro

The Islander gets Cypriot in his top 5

The Mainlander gets it also but only in his top 20.

So the main difference is the north euro?

[Tauromachos]

So the main difference is the north euro?

Apparently in this case but what is notable both of them get more than 10% of it but less than 20%

The Islander gets 11,51% and the Mainlander 19,94%

[Teucer]

Apparently in this case but what is notable both of them get more than 10% of it but less than 20%

The Islander gets 11,51% and the Mainlander 19,94%

Also the islander gets more sw asian

[Tauromachos]

Also the islander gets more sw asian

Yeah but not alot

It is about 4-5% more in the Islander

[Teucer]

So it takes about 10% more North East Euro and 5 Sw Asian to turn a mainlander into a Islander, and therefore close to Cypriots.

And Cypriots haven't got any Greek ancestry how?

[Teucer]

I've seen every excuse by now, and every time it has been hypocritical.

1) Anything over top 10 matches is worthless
2) Anything over top 5 matches is worthless
3) The sample for that specific oracle is wrong
4) The sample for this oracle is better
5) Your pca plot suffers from bias
6) My pca plot doesn't

Meanwhile people will highlight matches from all over the top 20 to make their point and use every oracle available but when other people do the same thing it isn't credible.

[Tauromachos]

I've seen every excuse by now, and every time it has been hypocritical.

1) Anything over top 10 matches is worthless
2) Anything over top 5 matches is worthless
3) The sample for that specific oracle is wrong
4) The sample for this oracle is better
5) Your pca plot suffers from bias
6) My pca plot doesn't

Meanwhile people will highlight matches from all over the top 20 to make their point and use every oracle available but when other people do the same thing it isn't credible.

Alot of biased users post selective examples of the things that fit their doctrine and when you post counter or not even counter but just alternative examples
they claim you are cherrypicking

+ The use exatly the kind of argumentation patterns you are describing above.