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    I would do what men do in Thailand which is to be a Buddhist monk temporarily and then rejoin worldly society after.


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    Buddhism is a religion that prevents development in society and stirs a psychological weakness. Meiji of Japan diminished Budhism during 19th century and boosted Shinto as part of the modernization of the country. During 8th century as result of neighboring Tibet, the second Turkic khaganate also considered to adopt Budhism; however the wise tarkhan Tonyukuk opposed because he said Budhism would weaken and negatively influence Turks.

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    Yes. I would try it for some time. Like 1 year.

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    Yes Definitely! I've already lived a monastic lifestyle as a guest resident.

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    I was a guest at a number of monasteries, in California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Buddhism is a religion that prevents development in society and stirs a psychological weakness. During 8th century as result of neighboring Tibet, the second Turkic khaganate also considered to adopt Budhism; however the wise tarkhan Tonyukuk opposed because he said Budhism would weaken and negatively influence Turks.
    Wrong. Turkic kingdom of Qocho or Idiqut State (mid 9th to 13th centuries) was among the most developed Turkic states at the time. Buddhism was a state sponsored religion but Nestorian Christian and Manichean minorities were also present. Among Buddhist religous texts, thousands of administrative documents and orders have been unearthered. There is an entire academic niche (Turfan studies) dedicated to the study of these documents which include signatures, seals (Turkic tribe tamgas that subsequently turned into seals), names, witnesses, Turkic administrative terminologies. Every transaction including rent, will inheritance, purchase, adoption, military conscription, taxing was backed by a document. It was truly Turkic in character and essence unlike Karakhanid or Seljuk states. All this indicates a high degree of law and order, property rights and that a significant portion of the population was literate.



    1. ar-a t(e)mür söz-üm turï b(a)xšï-qa
    2. sening borluqung-nï él ///
    3. küčägip ïnal [q]oč-qa sads(a)dï
    4. m(e)n bodun birlä tapïšïp3 s(e)ni(n)g
    5. sadmïšïng [čïn?] bolunup m(a)nga
    6. ornïn-ta borluq bérm(ä)kči boldï
    7. amdï s(a)nga söz-üm borluqung-
    8. -nïng ornïn-ta borluq til(ä)z-ä-m(ä)n
    9. borluq béräyin tep turur
    10. til(ä)m(ä)z-ä-m(ä)n bidip q(a)lïp turur
    11. töl(ä)č quruγ q(a)lmay(ï)n tésär-s(ä)n
    12. s(e)ndäki ïdïš bidig-ni bérip
    13. m(a)nga čïn baš bidig qïlïp
    14. ïdγïl bidig kelmiš-tä ornïn-
    15. -ta borluq tiläp alayïn sanga
    16. borluqung-nï(n)g sadïγïn küz-käd(ä)ki
    17. qïlïp qodayïn bolmasa s(e)n quruγ
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    My, Ara Temur’s, word to Tura Bakhshi! Using it’s rights the community set out to sell Inal Kochu your grape orchard. I came with the sanction of the community and el, in view of the fact that the sale undertaken by you has been recognized as valid, the community has decided to provide me with another grape orchard instead of the one initially proposed. Now I appeal to you! If I demand another grape orchard instead of yours, the community is ready to give me one, if not the transaction will be dropped. If you do not want to to remain without payment for your orchard, provide the existing payment agreement by compiling a genuine primary document and forward to me. When the document arrives, I will appeal and get another orchard instead of yours. The fee for your grape orchard will be submitted before autumn. Otherwise, you will be left with nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaglakar View Post
    Wrong. Turkic kingdom of Qocho or Idiqut State (mid 9th to 13th centuries) was among the most developed Turkic states at the time. Buddhism was a state sponsored religion but Nestorian Christian and Manichean minorities were also present. Among Buddhist religous texts, thousands of administrative documents and orders have been unearthered. There is an entire academic niche (Turfan studies) dedicated to the study of these documents which include signatures, seals (Turkic tribe tamgas that subsequently turned into seals), names, witnesses, Turkic administrative terminologies. Every transaction including rent, will inheritance, purchase, military conscription, taxing was backed by a document. It was truly Turkic in character and essence unlike Karakhanid or Seljuk states. All this indicates a high degree of law and order, property rights and that a significant portion of the population was literate.


    1. ar-a t(e)mür söz-üm turï b(a)xšï-qa
    2. sening borluqung-nï él ///
    3. küčägip ïnal [q]oč-qa sads(a)dï
    4. m(e)n bodun birlä tapïšïp3 s(e)ni(n)g
    5. sadmïšïng [čïn?] bolunup m(a)nga
    6. ornïn-ta borluq bérm(ä)kči boldï
    7. amdï s(a)nga söz-üm borluqung-
    8. -nïng ornïn-ta borluq til(ä)z-ä-m(ä)n
    9. borluq béräyin tep turur
    10. til(ä)m(ä)z-ä-m(ä)n bidip q(a)lïp turur
    11. töl(ä)č quruγ q(a)lmay(ï)n tésär-s(ä)n
    12. s(e)ndäki ïdïš bidig-ni bérip
    13. m(a)nga čïn baš bidig qïlïp
    14. ïdγïl bidig kelmiš-tä ornïn-
    15. -ta borluq tiläp alayïn sanga
    16. borluqung-nï(n)g sadïγïn küz-käd(ä)ki
    17. qïlïp qodayïn bolmasa s(e)n quruγ
    18. qaldač(ï)ng

    My, Ara Temur’s, word to Tura Bakhshi! Using it’s rights the community set out to sell Inal Kochu your grape orchard. I came with the sanction of the community and el, in view of the fact that the sale undertaken by you has been recognized as valid, the community has decided to provide me with another grape orchard instead of the one initially proposed. Now I appeal to you! If I demand another grape orchard instead of yours, the community is ready to give me one, if not the transaction will be dropped. If you do not want to to remain without payment for your orchard, provide the existing payment agreement by compiling a genuine primary document and forward to me. When the document arrives, I will appeal and get another orchard instead of yours. The fee for your grape orchard will be submitted before autumn. Otherwise, you will be left with nothing.
    It was anyway banned later and discouraged, as boyla tarkhan Tonyukuk (protector of Türk culture) thought that was not for Turks. Tokuz Oguz in Orkhon scripts referred to a non-Oghuz little group later those went to Tibet and they disappeared there.

    Are you Jew btw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    It was anyway banned later and discouraged, as boyla tarkhan Tonyukuk (protector of Türk culture) thought that was not for Turks. Tokuz Oguz in Orkhon scripts referred to a non-Oghuz little group later those went to Tibet and they disappeared there.

    Are you Jew btw?
    Idiqut state was Toquz Oghuz between. Oghuz-Karluk languages are descendants of Turkic Khaganates. The language spoken by Idiquts was even closer - a direct descendant of Türük Khaganates and Uighur Khaganate.

    You must admit that this simple orchard purchase is quite impressive for 10th century.

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