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    Kastrioti was from a Catholic class which changed sectarian identity under Venetian imperialist influence. The original religion of Albanians was Orthodox. Most Albanians later left the path of Orthodoxy to become Muslim and Catholic.

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    Neither Islam nor Christianity are truly compatible with the Albanians. This is why there is generally so much coexistence and intermarriage among both nominally Muslim and Christian Albanians. Its also the reason why the Albanians received both religions, but modified each to suit their own nature and mixed it with many of their ancient traditions. It is in the name of Islam that both Turkish organizations tied to the Islamist AKP government and their Gulen rivals (both with a neo-Ottoman perspective rather than Turkish nationalist) and smaller Wahhabi organizations tied to wealthy Gulf Arab sheikhs and petrodollars, are buying up influence and seeking to change the culture in Albania. But I would likewise advise Christian Albanians to likewise maintain their own independence.

    I say this as an admirer and friend of the Albanians, given my three week stay in Shqiperia which left me with a positive view of Albanians and Albanian culture. And as one who has returned to the ancient indigenous spiritual traditions of his own Germanic and Celtiberian ancestors, I would similarly advise Albanians to look back into the traditions and heritage of the ancient Illyrians-Pelasgians. Look back to the roots of many of your traditions, whether it is practiced as Sunni, Catholic, Orthodox or Bektashi, and you will see it predates any of those religions coming to Albanian soil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean-Jobst View Post
    Neither Islam nor Christianity are truly compatible with the Albanians. This is why there is generally so much coexistence and intermarriage among both nominally Muslim and Christian Albanians. Its also the reason why the Albanians received both religions, but modified each to suit their own nature and mixed it with many of their ancient traditions. It is in the name of Islam that both Turkish organizations tied to the Islamist AKP government and their Gulen rivals (both with a neo-Ottoman perspective rather than Turkish nationalist) and smaller Wahhabi organizations tied to wealthy Gulf Arab sheikhs and petrodollars, are buying up influence and seeking to change the culture in Albania. But I would likewise advise Christian Albanians to likewise maintain their own independence.

    I say this as an admirer and friend of the Albanians, given my three week stay in Shqiperia which left me with a positive view of Albanians and Albanian culture. And as one who has returned to the ancient indigenous spiritual traditions of his own Germanic and Celtiberian ancestors, I would similarly advise Albanians to look back into the traditions and heritage of the ancient Illyrians-Pelasgians. Look back to the roots of many of your traditions, whether it is practiced as Sunni, Catholic, Orthodox or Bektashi, and you will see it predates any of those religions coming to Albanian soil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    For sure albanian muslims are different from non european ones. In MENA countries it's almost impossible to see a wife of muslim background with a christian husband(and even the other way around) and when it happens it causes mayhem in their social circle.
    In Albania you will see the daughter of a hodja (imam) marry a catholic albanian, with the fathers blessing.

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    They were forced to be that. There's Catholic Albanians tho

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    No religion is really compatible to Albanians because Albanians have problems with rules and authority. We like absolute freedom to some extent. However, in terms of survival it as well as Catholicism were instrumental in preventing the complete assimilation of Albanians. Being Muslim and Catholic prevented assimilation tactics that our Orthodox brothers in the north and south suffered. Greek and Slavic Orthodox Albanians suffered greatly with assimilation. Before Zogu declared himself king, the powers almost split us up between Greece and Serbia. Whereas, Albanian Catholic and Muslim groups preserved their identities a little bit better, as is natural considering the lack of neighboring powers using religion to assimilate as in the case of Orthodox Albanians. At least that was back then.

    Most Albanians were and always have been moderate or irreligious with any faith they are apart of. Religion is not a kryptonite for us as it is for our neighbors.

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    Agreed that Albanians should revert back to Christianity. Disagree that a Christian should worship a flag of any kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emziepiex3 View Post
    They were forced to be that. There's Catholic Albanians tho
    Alot were forced, many refused. Albanians converted because they wanted benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Agreed that Albanians should revert back to Christianity. Disagree that a Christian should worship a flag of any kind.
    We were never truly Christian. Nor Muslim. As several posters have mentioned here I don't think we are compatible with any religion. Our brain operates on an independent level and religions require submissive minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulu View Post
    We were never truly Christian. Nor Muslim. As several posters have mentioned here I don't think we are compatible with any religion. Our brain operates on an independent level and religions require submissive minds.
    True. Christianity requires a global mindset. This means inclusion of people no matter what race, ethnicity. Albanians would not like that.

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