Page 1 of 8 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 72

Thread: Croats and Gypsies: Ottoman executioner ethnicities

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Last Online
    12-08-2018 @ 06:13 PM
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Ancestry
    Oğuz / Turcoman
    Country
    Turkey
    Gender
    Posts
    10,237
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,722
    Given: 1,300

    1 Not allowed!

    Default Croats and Gypsies: Ottoman executioner ethnicities



    At the era of Ottoman Turkey, executioners were institutionalized during the 15th century.
    They were chosen among deaf and mute people.
    People doing this dirty job were taken almost only from two ethnicities: Croats and Gypsies.

    Subalterns and Social Protest: History from Below in the Middle East
    by Stephanie Cronin




    Why these two ethnicities? There might be different reasons but that is history-wise noteworthy detail anyway imo

  2. #2
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Last Online
    12-08-2018 @ 06:13 PM
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Ancestry
    Oğuz / Turcoman
    Country
    Turkey
    Gender
    Posts
    10,237
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,722
    Given: 1,300

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    The Turkish word for executioner is Cellat (Djellat). That word entered the Croatian language and obviously that's a surname in Croatia.

    Cultures of Crisis in Southeast Europe, Volume 2
    by Klaus Roth, Asker Kartarı
    page 250




    Obviously after their years-long services in Istanbul, Thessaloniki etc the Croat executioners were back home with their savings and set up families and used their job title as surname.

  3. #3
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Last Online
    12-08-2018 @ 06:13 PM
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Ancestry
    Oğuz / Turcoman
    Country
    Turkey
    Gender
    Posts
    10,237
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,722
    Given: 1,300

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Magnificent century- Gypsy and Croat hangsmen execute Greek Devshirme Ibrahim pasha


  4. #4
    Veteran Member Marmara's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 10:01 AM
    Location
    Istanbul
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Country
    Turkey
    Region
    Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality
    Gender
    Posts
    12,603
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 8,932
    Given: 2,967

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Why Croats? Is there a reason? I understand gypsies

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Online
    09-04-2023 @ 02:54 PM
    Location
    The Deep Spain
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Spanish paleto culture
    Ethnicity
    Spanish paleto culture
    Ancestry
    Castellanos
    Country
    Spain
    Region
    Castile and Leon
    Y-DNA
    Castellanos
    mtDNA
    Castellanos
    Taxonomy
    Spanish paleto culture
    Politics
    Preserving Spanish paleto culture
    Religion
    The only one true Christianism is the Spanish Inquisition
    Gender
    Posts
    49,212
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 25,690
    Given: 23,946

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Why Croats? Is there a reason? I understand gypsies

  6. #6
    Veteran Member Marmara's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 10:01 AM
    Location
    Istanbul
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Country
    Turkey
    Region
    Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality
    Gender
    Posts
    12,603
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 8,932
    Given: 2,967

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Did i say something funny?

  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Online
    09-04-2023 @ 02:54 PM
    Location
    The Deep Spain
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Spanish paleto culture
    Ethnicity
    Spanish paleto culture
    Ancestry
    Castellanos
    Country
    Spain
    Region
    Castile and Leon
    Y-DNA
    Castellanos
    mtDNA
    Castellanos
    Taxonomy
    Spanish paleto culture
    Politics
    Preserving Spanish paleto culture
    Religion
    The only one true Christianism is the Spanish Inquisition
    Gender
    Posts
    49,212
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 25,690
    Given: 23,946

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Did i say something funny?
    Of course
    Still funnier because you did say seriously

  8. #8
    Veteran Member Marmara's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 10:01 AM
    Location
    Istanbul
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Country
    Turkey
    Region
    Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality
    Gender
    Posts
    12,603
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 8,932
    Given: 2,967

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Of course
    Still funnier because you did say seriously
    Gypsies used to and still do the lowest and most despised jobs, but Croats doesn't make sense.

  9. #9
    Veteran Member Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Carpatz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Român
    Country
    Romania
    Y-DNA
    R1a-Z280
    mtDNA
    H5b
    Gender
    Posts
    1,836
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,638
    Given: 2,442

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    The executioner of Romanian rebel leaders in Habsburg ruled Transylvania was also a gypsy. I think this might've been a common trend outside the Ottoman Empire as well.

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Last Online
    12-08-2018 @ 06:13 PM
    Ethnicity
    Turkish
    Ancestry
    Oğuz / Turcoman
    Country
    Turkey
    Gender
    Posts
    10,237
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,722
    Given: 1,300

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Its not about despising or so. It’s just that they were chosen for that job. Some retained Dellatovic surname, it was a professional service.

Page 1 of 8 12345 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 35
    Last Post: 07-11-2019, 03:31 PM
  2. Replies: 20
    Last Post: 01-27-2019, 01:23 AM
  3. Replies: 278
    Last Post: 02-06-2018, 10:18 PM
  4. Replies: 15
    Last Post: 12-15-2017, 12:28 AM
  5. Gypsies in the Ottoman Empire
    By Mortimer in forum Türkiye
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 07-01-2015, 02:25 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •