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    Default Iranid/Irano-CM examples

    There's a thread about Iranian Nordoids (Irano-Nordids) but not about Iranids.
    I would like to ask the moderators to make this one "sticky", please.
    Please, feel free to also post Irano-CMs (Robust Iranids) in this same thread.
    Various anthropologists considered the Irano-Afghan (here meaning Iranid proper, not Irano-Nordid) race a subtype of the Mediterranean one, while others placed it in their Nordic category.

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    "Carleton S. Coon in his The Races of Europe classifies the Indo-Afghans and Irano-Afghans as Nordic, describing them as being long-faced, high-headed and leptorrhine (having long and narrow noses). Bertil Lundman by contrast postulates an "Iranid" subtype of his "Eastern Mediterranean" race. Earnest Hooton in 1946 describes the "Iranian Plateau type" as distinct from the Atlanto-Mediterranean one:

    - particularly in its long, high-bridged, and boldly jutting nasal promontory. It has the same huge dolichocephalic head and massive, usually long face. The great nose may be either straight or convex, more often the latter.

    According to Renato Biasutti the type was defined by:

    - Brunet-white color, very dark hair and eyes, abundant pilosity; medium stature (165), slim body; very long (74) and high head with prominent occiput; long face; large and high nose with root at the level of the forehead, straight or convex spine, strongly curved nostrils (64); full lips, robust chin.

    John Lawrence Angel following Coon in 1971 discusses a "Nordic-Iranian type" in the following terms:

    - D1 lies between Anglo-Saxon and Keltic area norms, and D2 is the earlier pre-Bronze Age Corded form which Coon identifies. Type D3, lighter and more hawk-nosed, is transitional to the Mediterranean type B4 and to type D4 (Iranian), which is the Proto-Iranian of Vallois, Irano-Afghan of others, and Proto-Nordic of Krogman, and which is more linear and more rugged than D3 and has a more tilted chewing plane, more nasal convexity, and deeper occiput. Type D5 approximates Coon's Danubian-Hallstatt and successor Central European forms."

    Taken from:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irano-Afghan_race

    Examples:
    Afghan man of Irano-Afghan type from Augustus Henry Keane's Man, Past and Present (1899)

    Another man of Iranid type

    Continuing:


    Iranid from The Races of Europe:


    Irano-CM morph:

    Further examples:




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    Good gallery, especially the Kurdish pics.
    But I cannot see CM as it should imply a shorter faced, smaller nose type.
    These guys have large noses and especially in textbook types high head (which is opposite to CM)
    This Iranian athlete may go towards a kind of CM or to say pseudo-CM look, but it’s miat likely just an Alpine re-combination.
    1) Alpine,Dinaric,Mediterranean,Baltic and Nordic should be enough to identify most Europeans.
    2) These are not races, just examples of possible variants. Have fun with them but don’t take it seriously.
    3) No one is a Steppe Warrior or a Hunter Gatherer. Stop Frowning in your selfies to look badass, looks like you are taking a s*it.
    4) We are all WC: Westernized Consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Columella View Post
    Good gallery, especially the Kurdish pics.
    But I cannot see CM as it should imply a shorter faced, smaller nose type.
    These guys have large noses and especially in textbook types high head (which is opposite to CM)
    This Iranian athlete may go towards a kind of CM or to say pseudo-CM look, but it’s miat likely just an Alpine re-combination.
    True. Some of these men are not Cms due to their high or long heads.

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    Iranids:


    Irano-CM (Iranid with CM admixture):
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    Iranid:
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    Robust Iranid (Irano-CM):
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    Quote Originally Posted by Columella View Post
    Good gallery, especially the Kurdish pics.
    But I cannot see CM as it should imply a shorter faced, smaller nose type.
    These guys have large noses and especially in textbook types high head (which is opposite to CM)
    This Iranian athlete may go towards a kind of CM or to say pseudo-CM look, but it’s miat likely just an Alpine re-combination.
    That guy looks like he has some significant East Asian/Siberian admixture. Those eyes, that upturned shallow nose and that patchy facial and arm hair, very unlike Iranids. There are some significant East Asian admixture in certain peoples within Iran such as the Turkmen(20% male Mongoloid admixture).

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ishapur_30.JPG

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmens

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Turkmen

    https://web.archive.org/web/20110606...imsmaj3n.alice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Columella View Post
    Good gallery, especially the Kurdish pics.
    But I cannot see CM as it should imply a shorter faced, smaller nose type.
    These guys have large noses and especially in textbook types high head (which is opposite to CM)
    This Iranian athlete may go towards a kind of CM or to say pseudo-CM look, but it’s miat likely just an Alpine re-combination.
    Who told you that cromagnons had small noses and smaller head ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelati View Post
    True. Some of these men are not Cms due to their high or long heads.
    Cms mix with Alpines give short face. Real tall CMs have long face
    Or you try to say that CMs look sissies???




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