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    It exists in a small percentage among mongols because they have some caucasoid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaglakar View Post
    Tocharians were small farming communities along rivers banks of upper Tarim Basin. Ironically, it is more Mongoloid leaning northern Uyghurs who might have some Tocharian blood. Tocharian language was likely dead, and did not exist several centuries prior to the relocation of Uighurs replaced by Sogdian and Turkic. Uyghurs also absorbed thousands of Han Chinese settlers who were living in urban areas since Han times. Uyghurs likely absorbed more Sogdians than Tocharians. It is recorded and documented by Uighur Idiqut (Qocho) authorities, 9-13th centuries.

    Proto-Turks were predominantly Mongoloid but not as Mongoloid as today's inhabitants of eastern Steppes. Mongol invasions of 13th century changed demographics and phenotypes. Even medieval Uighurs who adopted a rational policy of negotiated submission did not escape additional Mongol element/intermixing, 14-16 centuries. Impact on Han Chinese was minor due to their massive population since ancient times.

    Maybe this girl from Korla is partly of Tocharian descent, who knows.

    I claim that proto-Turks were Caucasoid and Tocharians were of Turkic origin, as M.Zakhiev already wrote in his famous study:

    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...nicRootsEn.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovidiu View Post
    You guys are forgetting the Hmong. They don't have any West Eurasian admixture to my knowledge and can produce this indepdenently as a mutation

    Maybe a throwback Australoid/Protomalay trait?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buusra View Post
    I claim that proto-Turks were Caucasoid and Tocharians were of Turkic origin, as M.Zakhiev already wrote in his famous study:

    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...nicRootsEn.htm
    Proto-Turkic speaking peoples were likely diverse in looks as they occupied vast areas of upper north-east Asia: Krasnoyarsk-Tomsk-Novosibirsk-Altai-Djungaria-Inner-Mongolia-upper Mongolia. Majority were Caucasoid leaning Turanids, but to the European eye they would definitely appear dominantly Mongoloid. Tocharians can in no way be Turkic. They were literate, and the written material that was unearthed is clearly of non-Turkic origin although many Turkic loanwords are present. Late Tocharians existed as a people but lost their language (7th-8th centuries), they spoke Turkic and Sogdian. Kashgari talks of Tohri-Turkic tribe. These are vestiges left from absorption of these small farming communities.

    I read the article. It has some good points but unfortunately it is not an academic scholarly work. If you consider early proto-Turks as caucasoid-white, you would have to place Turkic urheimat to the west. There needs to be substantial evidence that Turks emerged in Western Steppes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaglakar View Post
    Proto-Turkic speaking peoples were likely diverse in looks as they occupied vast areas of upper north-east Asia: Krasnoyarsk-Tomsk-Novosibirsk-Altai-Djungaria-Inner-Mongolia-upper Mongolia. Majority were Caucasoid leaning Turanids, but to the European eye they would definitely appear dominantly Mongoloid. Tocharians can in no way be Turkic. They were literate, and the written material that was unearthed is clearly of non-Turkic origin although many Turkic loanwords are present. Late Tocharians existed as a people but lost their language (7th-8th centuries), they spoke Turkic and Sogdian. Kashgari talks of Tohri-Turkic tribe. These are vestiges left from absorption of these small farming communities.
    That Turkic people originated from Altai- Inner - Upper Mongolia is an old claim and has been debated and replaced by new theories by new-generation Turkish historians like Karatay while new research is being done as well. Zakiev says in his same study that the ethnonym Tochar comes from Tagar, a Turkic culture in Minussinsk area that dates back to 5-6. centuries BC. Check out his other well-known paper, Origin of Trks and Tatars:
    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...76-124En.htm#4

    Quote Originally Posted by Yaglakar View Post
    I read the article. It has some good points but unfortunately it is not an academic scholarly work. If you consider early proto-Turks as caucasoid-white, you would have to place Turkic urheimat to the west. There needs to be substantial evidence that Turks emerged in Western Steppes.
    Zakiev is already a professor, a Turkology scholar, a doctor of Philology, full member of Academy of Sciences of the Tatarstan Republic and and a Tatarstan public figure (Wikipedia), so of course his studies are scholarly. Prof. Karatay proves in his book 'The Origin of the Turks' that Turkic urhemiat is already around Yurmatu at Ural region. If you can read Turkish I suggest you get and read this book thoroughly to understand his evidence and logic. You can also track the Turkic traces in southern Siberia from the toponym there, Ural itself is a turkish name which is widely used as a name and surname in Turkey

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    Yeah. In some Asians due to Europid Steppe people.


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