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Thread: 2 Sicilian Bell Beaker (2500 BC) GEDMatches.... VERY interesting.

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    It's really the first era where it is parting away from other samples in Europe, it's the same in the mesolithic, same in the neolithic, then Bronze Age is completely different from other places, which keep showing the Bronze age input was not homogeneous at all in Europe.

    Maybe we could see it another way as well, like they didn't really had Bronze Age people in the common sense, just different migrations coming at the same time, because it's like you remove from them all the mesolithic, EHG in particular and replaced it with SW Asian. 0 steppe in K16 is one of a kind for the time. Yet they had the same culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petalpusher View Post
    It's really the first era where it is parting away from other samples in Europe, it's the same in the mesolithic, same in the neolithic, then Bronze Age is completely different from other places, which keep showing the Bronze age input was not homogeneous at all in Europe.

    Maybe we could see it another way as well, like they didn't really had Bronze Age people in the common sense, just different migrations coming at the same time, because it's like you remove from them all the mesolithic, EHG in particular and replaced it with SW Asian. 0 steppe in K16 is one of a kind for the time. Yet they had the same culture.

    These were female samples, so it is possible they were just not yet mixed with Steppe incomers. However, Steppe input in Sicily is so low today that it is unlikely to me it was ever very high.


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    What is interesting is there are no Sicilians like this today.

    Those with the highest Sardinian-like DNA today tend to have the lowest Caucasian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    What is interesting is there are no Sicilians like this today.

    Those with the highest Sardinian-like DNA today tend to have the lowest Caucasian.
    Maybe they got more Sardinian later from another source?
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    Calabrians can be modeled as 45% from a Mycenaean source. Steppe and additional Caucasus ancestry most likely came through an Armenian BA source.

    [1] "distance%=1.8572 / distance=0.018572"

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    I9041_Mycean 44.3
    Samaritan 29.0
    RISE416_Armenia_MBA 12.6
    I1635_Armenia_EBA_ 4.1
    RISE569__Early_Czech_Slav_ 3.5
    Tunisia 3.3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    Calabrians can be modeled as 45% from a Mycenaean source. Steppe and additional Caucasus ancestry most likely came through an Armenian BA source.

    [1] "distance%=1.8572 / distance=0.018572"

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    I9041_Mycean 44.3
    Samaritan 29.0
    RISE416_Armenia_MBA 12.6
    I1635_Armenia_EBA_ 4.1
    RISE569__Early_Czech_Slav_ 3.5
    Tunisia 3.3
    To model people that way doesn't make much sense according to me.

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    What are there haplogroups. These gedmatches are boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    To model people that way doesn't make much sense according to me.
    What doesnt make sense? Modern Southern Italians have both more near eastern and steppe ancestry than ancient Mycenaeans had. Samaritans are the best proxy for ancient Levantines and the algorithm always favors Armenia BA over some yamnaya source, indicating that steppe ancestry came through Anatolia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    Modern Southern Italians have both more near eastern and steppe ancestry than ancient Mycenaeans had.
    I do know

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