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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevo View Post
    Here is a list of Y-haplogroups from these Steppe dudes:




    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Rik/edit#gid=0

    The locations of these samples are unknown, we need to wait for the paper to come out. The paper will be released around mid May.
    Mostly dominated by R & Q, with J being third.

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    Indo-European(specifically east Ukrainian Corded Ware-like late IE, not Yamnaya) invasion of India pretty much all but confirmed now, yet only 2 pages.





    Where have all the in denial Indians gone to?
    Last edited by XenophobicPrussian; 04-19-2018 at 04:37 PM.
    The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.
    divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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    Interesting to see that all the J belongs to J2a and not J2b or J1. R seems to prevail as expected
    23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results

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    Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo

    Ydna: J1-ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*


    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    Indo-European(specifically east Ukrainian Corded Ware-like late IE, not Yamnaya) invasion of India pretty much all but confirmed now, yet only 2 pages.





    Where have all the in denial Indians gone to?
    This is a (mainly) European forum and it has no place for any Asian or African supremacists. However, most Indians that I've seen here were more or less sane or reasonable.

    Also, read this thread:
    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5067865

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
    And parts of Native Americans had WestEurasian ancestry (1/4 or 1/3)?
    I think this is true that they get their Western ancestry from ANE which is mostly Western shifted cluster with around 25 to 30% ASE (Onge related) ENA/East Eurasian ancestry.

    I believe these PCAs might show where Native Americans should plot genetically

    In the first pca, Totonac (supposedly 100% pure Amerindian) and Bolivians between CHB/JPT (Chinese Han Beijing, Japanese Tokyo) and CEU (European Americans from Utah).



    In the second PCA, Totonac and Bolivians are close to the Kyrgyz sample in the first CS Asian cluster and between East Asians, Polynesians and Europeans and Iraqis. The second CS Asian cluster towards Europeans are Pakistanis it seems.



    Third PCA. Amerindians are between ANE and Han here

    (Credits to the Petalpusher)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuvaq View Post
    I think this is true that they get their Western ancestry from ANE which is mostly Western shifted cluster with around 25 to 30% ASE (Onge related) ENA/East Eurasian ancestry.

    I believe these PCAs might show where Native Americans should plot genetically

    In the first pca, Totonac (supposedly 100% pure Amerindian) and Bolivians between CHB/JPT (Chinese Han Beijing, Japanese Tokyo) and CEU (European Americans from Utah).



    In the second PCA, Totonac and Bolivians are close to the Kyrgyz sample in the first CS Asian cluster and between East Asians, Polynesians and Europeans and Iraqis. The second CS Asian cluster towards Europeans are Pakistanis it seems.



    Third PCA. Amerindians are between ANE and Han here

    (Credits to the Petalpusher)
    Sorry I want to correct my statement on the second PCA. The Totonac (who are 100% Amerindians) actually cluster closer to Kyrgyz who are the first CS Asian cluster, while Bolivians since they have Euro admix cluster closer to Nepalis who are the second CS Asian cluster. Meanwhile the third CS Asian cluster which is Pakistanis show a shift towards Iraqis and Europeans (Slovenians, CEU).

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    DA171 result

    Y N-L1025 mtDNA H2a1

    Gedmatch Z713550

    K13:

    Population
    North_Atlantic 25.73
    Baltic 60.13
    West_Med 1.61
    West_Asian -
    East_Med -
    Red_Sea 4.50
    South_Asian 3.23
    East_Asian -
    Siberian 2.03
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan 2.76

    Oracle 4:

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Lithuanian @ 11.114440
    2 Estonian @ 14.567318
    3 East_Finnish @ 14.657040
    4 Belorussian @ 15.033764
    5 Estonian_Polish @ 15.330928
    6 Erzya @ 15.987166
    7 Kargopol_Russian @ 16.076241
    8 Russian_Smolensk @ 16.181431
    9 Finnish @ 17.082684
    10 Southwest_Russian @ 18.008085
    11 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.419487
    12 Polish @ 19.588999
    13 Ukrainian @ 22.129522
    14 Southwest_Finnish @ 22.689356
    15 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 23.297407
    16 South_Polish @ 23.523617
    17 La_Brana-1 @ 23.806120
    18 Chuvash @ 29.127838
    19 Croatian @ 30.396633
    20 North_Swedish @ 31.556002

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Lithuanian +50% Lithuanian @ 11.114440


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 11.114440


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.114440
    2 East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.315384
    3 Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.508182
    4 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.761994
    5 Kargopol_Russian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.880618
    6 East_Finnish + Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.926003
    7 Belorussian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.948862
    8 Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.026574
    9 Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.027840
    10 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.036226
    11 Erzya + Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.087805
    12 East_Finnish + Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.205635
    13 Belorussian + East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.236085
    14 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk @ 12.249960
    15 East_Finnish + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.296120
    16 East_Finnish + Kargopol_Russian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.368361
    17 Belorussian + Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.402226
    18 Erzya + Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.447273
    19 East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk @ 12.491582
    20 Erzya + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.540218

    Looks like some sort of Proto-Uralian. The little African and Siberian is likely not real but just artefact of excess "ANE-type" ancestry.

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    The amount of SNPs is very low
    26778 SNPs used in this evaluation
    When I run my kits, the amount is over 170,000.

    And why would a proto-Uralic have no mongoloid admixture? All Finno-Ugric people do, at least 5-7%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    The amount of SNPs is very low

    When I run my kits, the amount is over 170,000.

    And why would a proto-Uralic have no mongoloid admixture? All Finno-Ugric people do, at least 5-7%.
    Do I need to repeat myself a gazillionth time? Read my posts you fucking idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    The amount of SNPs is very low

    When I run my kits, the amount is over 170,000.

    And why would a proto-Uralic have no mongoloid admixture? All Finno-Ugric people do, at least 5-7%.
    Also remove that Finnic tag. I have told you many times you don't have Finnic ancestry, you fucking Turko-mongol spawn

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