The West is never going to be what it was PERIOD!!!

[JohnSmith]

The double edge sword of the Marshall Plan of the 1940s, which was used to aid and keep Greece the ONLY Western non-Communist country of Eastern Europe is starting to be apparent. It is taking 70 years to occur as the money, power and influence of the WEST is waning. Greece as a weak peripheral Western country is the first victim but will not be the last. I think many do not see how serious the Greek economic situation is on the world stage and the failure to resolve it shows the real weakness of the West.

It shows China and Russia that the West cannot solve an issue for a small country within their "EU", it looks very very bad on the global stage.

The European States are being forced to now compete with South/East Asia and also the Former Communist Block nations of Eastern Europe. It is a terribly tough situation for the "Old World Order" to handle. Greece may be the first but not the last as the West continues to decay and reduce their standard of living.

The Marshall Plan ended doing exactly what it was not suppose to do and that was to push the people to work hard and push innovation and not to be reliant on the state. As we can see by the Western resistant to reform this is not the case. Europe is not innovative and is socialist at heart.

I say to the migrants please do not go to the WEST because it is a decaying mess that is looking more authoritarian day by day.

The unification of Germany was the nail in the coffin for Western European high standard of living dominance. When Germany was able to then utilize the poor Eastern section of the country to under cut the labor markets of Protectionist France and Italy,, it was only a matter of time before Macron style reforms became a necessity. Italy and Greece have been trying to borrow to sustain the standard of living but it cannot continue this way forever. It will cause debt crisis with the next downturn.

Now add in the competition of East/South Asia and it looks even worse for Western Europe.

The UK has a healthcare system that is similar to African countries when it comes to cancer survival rates they lack the innovation to compete and have been on a massive decline since the 1940s.

The USA is headed into a frail quasi authoritarian state with the Executive branch battling the Courts and Legislature, this is not looking pretty and the Trump administration will end badly.

I just do not see good things in the West future.

[JohnSmith]

Just pass by this thread and ignore the truth and then wonder why every thread is a troll thread because no one wants to speak about the real issues that I am addressing.

[catgeorge]

What are you babbling about - there is no such thing as the west. The west died with Greek philosophy - the only westerners are the Greeks as today they still study Greek philosophy whereas you are just a dumbass system based on capitalism and consumerism. This has nothing to do with the west, this is Judaic and so is cultural Marxism of the USA and modern Europe. This is very far from western.

[alnortedelsur]

The European and European descent people have all their right to fight against the uncontrolled third world immigration, the feminism, the free abortion, the gay marriage, and all the liberal bull shits that are corrupting their societies.. They have all their right to take action to either stop and reverse the process, or at least don't allow that it gets worse and worse.

They have all their right to worry and complain about their people and their culture and genetic heritage to don't be replaced.

[JohnSmith]

What are you babbling about - there is no such thing as the west. The west died with Greek philosophy - the only westerners are the Greeks as today they still study Greek philosophy whereas you are just a dumbass system based on capitalism and consumerism. This has nothing to do with the west, this is Judaic and so is cultural Marxism of the USA and modern Europe. This is very far from western.

None of that matters. You have to look at this on a global scale. There was a reason the West and Marshall Plan did whatever they could to stop Communism in Greece. Now, 70 years later the WEST is so weak it cannot do much and Russia and China look much stronger. This absolutely stunning if you think about it. Global Economics is pushing Western Europeans standard of living lower.

Germany is undercutting the labor markets of France and Italy. This is causing a massive problem. Then, add the competition from the former eastern block and India and China. This will not end well for the WEST.

The WEST will decline more and more over the years.

[JohnSmith]

The European and European descent people have all their right to fight against the uncontrolled third world immigration, the feminism, the free abortion, the gay marriage, and all the liberal bull shits that are corrupting their societies.. They have all their right to take action to either stop and reverse the process, or at least don't allow that it gets worse and worse.

They have all their right to worry and complain about their people and their culture and genetic heritage to don't be replaced.

That is not the problem. The problem is economic globalization is not going to be good for the WEST. They now must compete with literally 2 billion more people.

[catgeorge]

None of that matters. You have to look at this on a global scale. There was a reason the West and Marshall Plan did whatever they could to stop Communism in Greece. Now, 70 years later the WEST is so weak it cannot do much and Russia and China look much stronger. This absolutely stunning if you think about it. Global Economics is pushing Western Europeans standard of living lower.

Germany is undercutting the labor markets of France and Italy. This is causing a massive problem. Then, add the competition from the former eastern block and India and China. This will not end well for the WEST.

The WEST will decline more and more over the years.

The Greeks stopped communism in Greece - you can not take credit for something majority of Greeks despised.

[JohnSmith]

The Greeks stopped communism in Greece - you can not take credit for something majority of Greeks despised.

Yes, but the Marshall plan helped. I am just saying Greece is the canary in the coal mine. Germany will not be able to compete either with Asia in the distant future. France and Italy are going to also be in serious economic trouble in 20 -30 years. The UK is also decaying along with the USA.

I suppose Australia and Canada might be some bright spots.

[JohnSmith]

STOP Scapegoating Migrants . The Westerners are their own worse enemy.

[Dragoon]

Have to admit mostly pessimistic about the future of "the West".

a)The wrong type of people are getting ultra rich, large corporations (many of which are useless and destructive), many elites who seem to have abandoned European people and values. (USA is a whole different entity, but similar or more problems)
b)the falling and struggling middle class, poor suffering.
c)the social liberal nonsense (degeneracy, lack of morals, lost outside of reality, massive waves of immigration from outside of Europe which is mostly planned and allowed)
d)the wars, coups, bombing, which dont help Europe or people in Middle East or anywhere.

A smaller part tries to find hope for future of Europe, West, humanity.

Cant change much of it so I count my blessings.