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    The populations in the table below are ranked in order from most to least European. 'Most European' means 'least Asian and least African'.

    The populations with a Europic score => 2/3 (=> 66.66 r) the French Basque score are classed as European.



    METHOD
    Using the significant components for geographical Europeans in the Eurogenes K13 analysis ( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=804264822 ), I gave each component a weighting according to how exclusively European it is:

    Highest score in a European population x
    + highest score in a non-European population = total
    then x / total for the European weighting.

    Nth.Atlntc: 53.18 (W.Scottish) + 10.96 (Algerian) = 64.14; 53.18 / 64.14 = 0.83 weighting
    Baltic: 53.89 (Lithuanian) + 25.06 (Selkup Siberian) = 78.95; 53.89 / 78.95 = 0.68 weighting
    W.Med: 35.86 (Fr.Basque) + 25.34 (Moroccan) = 61.20; 51.87 / 103.74 = 0.59 weighting *
    E.Med: 31.82 (S.Italian) + 52.36 (Yemeni) = 84.18; 31.82 / 84.18 = 0.38 weighting
    W.Asian: 15.44 (C.Greek) + 54.31 (Abkhasian) = 69.75; 15.44 / 69.75 = 0.22 weighting
    Siberian: 21.77 (Sami) + 80.94 (Evens) = 102.71; 21.77 / 102.71 = 0.21 weighting
    Red Sea: 6.26 (E.Sicilian) + 34.19 (Saudi) = 40.45; 6.26 / 40.45 = 0.15 weighting

    * The West Med component is highest in Sardinians but since Sardinia is geographically neutral (inbetween European and Africa) that score was not used in calculating the weighting.

    For this purpose, the European populations were considered to be those indigenous to the European Continent with an eastern border running approximately from the White Sea in the north to the Sea of Azov in the south (the black line on the map below). The Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jewish populations were not counted as indigenous due to their relatively recent Near Eastern origins.

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    I then added together the weighted percentage scores for each popultion included. (Note that the table is not primarily intended to show how closely the populations are related because each region is genetically European in a different way.) Since the French Basque are most European they are considered the 'ultimate' modern Europeans and so 100% Europic.
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    If you know your GEDmatch results for the K13 you can calculate your personal Europic % in the same way. Mine, for example:

    N.Atlntc 46.85 x 0.83 = 38.89
    Baltic 25.14 x 0.68 = 17.10
    W.Med 16.78 x 0.67 = 11.24
    E.Med 1.17 x 0.38 = 0.44
    W.Asian 7.05 x 0.22 = 1.55
    Siberian 0
    Red Sea 0

    These three reults added together = 67.88 then / 70.29 = 96.57 % Europic

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    Seems logical.

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    The simpliest way is to consider a solid ancient calculator and just look at the WHG/SHG, which is in reality what you are trying to do with the weighting. It's anyway very similar to this because they are still to this day the most removed groups from Africans and Asians at the same time (as well as ASE), so well if you don't have any of this, or furthermore for Europeans how weak our relationship is with these groups, then more mesolithic can only make you more European.

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    Is West med a european component? Peaks in spaniards and moroccans.

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    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 30.41 * 0.83 = 25.24
    2 West_Med 19.77 * 0.67 = 13.25
    3 East_Med 17.78 * 0.38 = 11.91
    4 Red_Sea 9.68
    5 Baltic 7.54 * 0.68 = 5.13
    6 Sub-Saharan 6.89
    7 Northeast_African 5.23
    8 West_Asian 1.46 * 0.22 = 0.32
    9 East_Asian 0.51
    10 Oceanian 0.45
    11 Siberian 0.29

    European Total = 55.85
    Europic = 79.46 %

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petalpusher View Post
    The simpliest way is to consider a solid ancient calculator and just look at the WHG/SHG, which is in reality what you are trying to do with the weighting. It's anyway very similar to this because they are still to this day the most removed groups from Africans and Asians at the same time (as well as ASE), so well if you don't have any of this, or furthermore for Europeans how weak our relationship is with these groups, then more mesolithic can only make you more European.
    It would be interesting to compare this table with a list based on that. But do we know if the Hunter Gatherer DNA had elements shared with the West Asians and North Africans of that time in history? Also, they said modern Britons only have 10% DNA in common with Cheddar Man, so would comparing modern pops. with HGs be accurate enough?

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    100% scientific

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petalpusher View Post
    The simpliest way is to consider a solid ancient calculator and just look at the WHG/SHG, which is in reality what you are trying to do with the weighting. It's anyway very similar to this because they are still to this day the most removed groups from Africans and Asians at the same time (as well as ASE), so well if you don't have any of this, or furthermore for Europeans how weak our relationship is with these groups, then more mesolithic can only make you more European.
    Even SHG with their ANE?

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    88% but I don't think this method is very reliable.

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