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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    Nobody knows why a small City in the center of Italy between Etruscans and Greeks decided to conquest the world
    If you don't know it doesn't mean novody knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDorian View Post
    Because their priests foresaw that 2700 years after there will be an offspring of them posting about their glorius deeds on an
    online forum about European culture
    Maybe 10% of Rome citizens think that their ancestors were ancient romans

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    Maybe 10% of Rome citizens think that their ancestors were ancient romans
    A true Italian like the Duce considers himself a direct heir of Ancient Rome
    The Talmud tells us that the only language the Torah could be translated into elegantly is Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nassbean View Post
    Probably due to its strategic position : in the middle of the mediterranean sea and extremely fertile
    The factors are obvious:

    - climate favorable for agriculture (something grows 10-11 months a year there)
    - perfect balance between mountains and plains generates extremely fertile and naturally irrigated fields
    - relatively narrow strip of land between two seas means virtually infinite supply of seafood
    - all 3 factors above lead to abundance of food
    - abundance of food lead to explosion in population
    - explosion in population with continuous abundance of food leads to formation of classes not involved in agriculture
    - mountains ensure availability of materials for crafts
    - variety of trades develops rather early in history (most impotantly masonry and metalworking)
    - leave it to brew for some time and you end up with Rome

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDorian View Post
    It wouln't dwarf Greeces if Greeks would be more conscious of themselves and appreciate their heritage
    as much as Italians do
    While Greece had earlier start and many Roman achievements are indeed Greek in origin it never reached the height of Rome. For some reason Greece was harder to unify, for too long it was full of small and large semi-isolated enclaves. My theory it's due to differences in geography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    While Greece had earlier start and many Roman achievements are indeed Greek in origin it never reached the height of Rome. For some reason Greece was harder to unify, for too long it was full of small and large semi-isolated enclaves. My theory it's due to differences in geography.
    With regards to Science,Philosophy and Arts Greece was far ahead of Rome

    Roman culture was more materialism and power oriented
    Yeah Romans were more centralized and more imperialistic also they made more Monumental Architecture but Greek Architecture had purer
    Abstract Geometrical Aesthetics
    The Talmud tells us that the only language the Torah could be translated into elegantly is Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDorian View Post
    A true Italian like the Duce considers himself a direct heir of Ancient Rome

    Italians.. are not really patriotic..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    The factors are obvious:

    - climate favorable for agriculture (something grows 10-11 months a year there)
    - perfect balance between mountains and plains generates extremely fertile and naturally irrigated fields
    - relatively narrow strip of land between two seas means virtually infinite supply of seafood
    - all 3 factors above lead to abundance of food
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    - mountains ensure availability of materials for crafts
    - variety of trades develops rather early in history (most impotantly masonry and metalworking)
    - leave it to brew for some time and you end up with Rome

    Ancient Romans.... before PUNIC WARS III-II century B.C..... had never built a ship... they were 100% farmers.... without any interest in the sea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDorian View Post
    With regards to Science,Philosophy and Arts Greece was far ahead of Rome

    Roman culture was more materialism and power oriented
    Yeah Romans were more centralized and more imperialistic also they made more Monumental Architecture but Greek Architecture had purer
    Abstract Geometrical Aesthetics
    That exactly could be consequence of geographic factors. While Italy does have reasonable amount of mountains their composition doesn't form good protective barriers for enclaves to be established. As result constant threat from a neighbour eventually leading to final solution - conquer or exterminate. Thus expansion began which required mobilization of material resources. Persistent external threat seems to be conceiving factor for every major empire ever existed in this world.

    Meanwhile in Greece favorable climate and abundance of food combined with reliable natural protecitve borders favor development of peaceful non-productive areas of civilization like philosophy and arts.

    In every period of history there was one dominant society that pulls everyone around ahead. Greece was indeed first in early Antiquity but was rather quickly surpassed by Romans who maintained more or less dominant position all the way to beginning of capitalism. Then they were surpassed by other nations yet so far they were at the top for longest. Because of that their contribution to civilization remains unchallenged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    That exactly could be consequence of geographic factors. While Italy does have reasonable amount of mountains their composition doesn't form good protective barriers for enclaves to be established. As result constant threat from a neighbour eventually leading to final solution - conquer or exterminate. Thus expansion began which required mobilization of material resources. Persistent external threat seems to be conceiving factor for every major empire ever existed in this world.

    Meanwhile in Greece favorable climate and abundance of food combined with reliable natural protecitve borders favor development of peaceful non-productive areas of civilization like philosophy and arts.

    In every period of history there was one dominant society that pulls everyone around ahead. Greece was indeed first in early Antiquity but was rather quickly surpassed by Romans who maintained more or less dominant position all the way to beginning of capitalism. Then they were surpassed by other nations yet so far they were at the top for longest. Because of that their contribution to civilization remains unchallenged.
    But after the fall of Roman Empire 476 A.D.... Italy has been for long time only a mere geographical expression....till 1870 or 1918....

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