Arnold Schoenberg's son's GEDmatch results

[Bobby Martnen]

Kit T456608

7/8 Ashkenazi, 1/8 Central European

(The Schoenberg family has published this all on Geni.com already, I'm not revealing anything that's not already publicly available)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.72
2 West_Med 18.73
3 West_Asian 11.91
4 Atlantic 11.54
5 Red_Sea 8.15
6 North_Sea 6.91
7 Eastern_Euro 5.41
8 Baltic 4.73
9 Northeast_African 1.43
10 Southeast_Asian 1.26
11 South_Asian 0.71
12 Sub-Saharan 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 5.3
2 East_Sicilian 5.42
3 South_Italian 6.45
4 Italian_Jewish 6.48
5 Central_Greek 6.59
6 Algerian_Jewish 7.1
7 Sephardic_Jewish 7.19
8 West_Sicilian 7.49
9 Italian_Abruzzo 8.8
10 Greek 10.28
11 Tunisian_Jewish 10.94
12 Greek_Thessaly 11.09
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.17
14 Tuscan 12.74
15 Cyprian 13.7
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.33
17 Syrian 17.41
18 Bulgarian 17.92
19 North_Italian 18.89
20 Samaritan 19.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% Ashkenazi + 39.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.23
2 82.2% Algerian_Jewish + 17.8% Moldavian @ 3.65
3 63.5% Algerian_Jewish + 36.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.8
4 58.7% Ashkenazi + 41.3% Italian_Jewish @ 3.8
5 76.7% Algerian_Jewish + 23.3% Romanian @ 3.84
6 74.6% Algerian_Jewish + 25.4% Bulgarian @ 3.88
7 87.6% Algerian_Jewish + 12.4% Erzya @ 3.91
8 79.2% Algerian_Jewish + 20.8% Serbian @ 3.94
9 89.9% Ashkenazi + 10.1% Sardinian @ 3.95
10 89.1% Italian_Jewish + 10.9% Erzya @ 3.96
11 63% Ashkenazi + 37% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.97
12 83.7% Algerian_Jewish + 16.3% Croatian @ 4.01
13 61.8% Algerian_Jewish + 38.2% Greek @ 4.02
14 63.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 36.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.03
15 86.3% Algerian_Jewish + 13.7% Ukrainian @ 4.04
16 87.5% Algerian_Jewish + 12.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.04
17 86.9% Algerian_Jewish + 13.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.05
18 86.1% Algerian_Jewish + 13.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.07
19 65.2% Italian_Jewish + 34.8% Greek @ 4.08
20 62% East_Sicilian + 38% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.09

[kaltar]

[Leto]

The Central European is barely detectable, he's a full Jew to me

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 37.3
2 West_Med 23.29
3 North_Atlantic 11.98
4 Baltic 8.89
5 West_Asian 8.72
6 Red_Sea 5.59
7 East_Asian 1.31
8 Sub-Saharan 1.03
9 South_Asian 0.87
10 Northeast_African 0.65
11 Siberian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian_Jewish 5.82
2 Ashkenazi 6.15
3 Italian_Jewish 7.3
4 South_Italian 8.83
5 East_Sicilian 8.99
6 Sephardic_Jewish 9.18
7 Central_Greek 10.35
8 Tunisian_Jewish 10.78
9 West_Sicilian 11.15
10 Libyan_Jewish 11.4
11 Cyprian 13.67
12 Italian_Abruzzo 13.78
13 Greek_Thessaly 14.32
14 Tuscan 17.27
15 Lebanese_Muslim 18.58
16 Samaritan 18.96
17 Syrian 19.57
18 Lebanese_Christian 20.4
19 Tunisian 20.65
20 Palestinian 20.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.9% Algerian_Jewish + 47.1% Ashkenazi @ 4.33
2 93.1% Algerian_Jewish + 6.9% Erzya @ 4.44
3 92.6% Algerian_Jewish + 7.4% Southwest_Russian @ 4.44
4 92.9% Algerian_Jewish + 7.1% Estonian_Polish @ 4.44
5 93.5% Algerian_Jewish + 6.5% Lithuanian @ 4.44
6 93% Algerian_Jewish + 7% Belorussian @ 4.47
7 92.7% Algerian_Jewish + 7.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.49
8 92.3% Algerian_Jewish + 7.7% Ukrainian @ 4.5
9 93% Algerian_Jewish + 7% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.51
10 93.3% Algerian_Jewish + 6.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.54
11 86.1% Algerian_Jewish + 13.9% Bulgarian @ 4.59
12 93.8% Algerian_Jewish + 6.2% Estonian @ 4.6
13 92.4% Algerian_Jewish + 7.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.62
14 93.1% Algerian_Jewish + 6.9% Polish @ 4.62
15 92.6% Algerian_Jewish + 7.4% South_Polish @ 4.63
16 91.4% Algerian_Jewish + 8.6% Croatian @ 4.65
17 93.9% Algerian_Jewish + 6.1% East_Finnish @ 4.65
18 90.8% Algerian_Jewish + 9.2% Moldavian @ 4.67
19 79.6% Algerian_Jewish + 20.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.67
20 94.1% Algerian_Jewish + 5.9% Finnish @ 4.75


What does he look like?

[Petalpusher]

More over it's not detectable but if anything out of normal variation his results look more like half Sephardic or some other Jewish groups that aren't Ashkenazi.

[AK-47]

Kit T456608

7/8 Ashkenazi, 1/8 Central European

(The Schoenberg family has published this all on Geni.com already, I'm not revealing anything that's not already publicly available)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.72
2 West_Med 18.73
3 West_Asian 11.91
4 Atlantic 11.54
5 Red_Sea 8.15
6 North_Sea 6.91
7 Eastern_Euro 5.41
8 Baltic 4.73
9 Northeast_African 1.43
10 Southeast_Asian 1.26
11 South_Asian 0.71
12 Sub-Saharan 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 5.3
2 East_Sicilian 5.42
3 South_Italian 6.45
4 Italian_Jewish 6.48
5 Central_Greek 6.59
6 Algerian_Jewish 7.1
7 Sephardic_Jewish 7.19
8 West_Sicilian 7.49
9 Italian_Abruzzo 8.8
10 Greek 10.28
11 Tunisian_Jewish 10.94
12 Greek_Thessaly 11.09
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.17
14 Tuscan 12.74
15 Cyprian 13.7
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.33
17 Syrian 17.41
18 Bulgarian 17.92
19 North_Italian 18.89
20 Samaritan 19.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% Ashkenazi + 39.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.23
2 82.2% Algerian_Jewish + 17.8% Moldavian @ 3.65
3 63.5% Algerian_Jewish + 36.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.8
4 58.7% Ashkenazi + 41.3% Italian_Jewish @ 3.8
5 76.7% Algerian_Jewish + 23.3% Romanian @ 3.84
6 74.6% Algerian_Jewish + 25.4% Bulgarian @ 3.88
7 87.6% Algerian_Jewish + 12.4% Erzya @ 3.91
8 79.2% Algerian_Jewish + 20.8% Serbian @ 3.94
9 89.9% Ashkenazi + 10.1% Sardinian @ 3.95
10 89.1% Italian_Jewish + 10.9% Erzya @ 3.96
11 63% Ashkenazi + 37% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.97
12 83.7% Algerian_Jewish + 16.3% Croatian @ 4.01
13 61.8% Algerian_Jewish + 38.2% Greek @ 4.02
14 63.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 36.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.03
15 86.3% Algerian_Jewish + 13.7% Ukrainian @ 4.04
16 87.5% Algerian_Jewish + 12.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.04
17 86.9% Algerian_Jewish + 13.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.05
18 86.1% Algerian_Jewish + 13.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.07
19 65.2% Italian_Jewish + 34.8% Greek @ 4.08
20 62% East_Sicilian + 38% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.09

Here is how I compare with Schoenberg's kid.
3/4 Ashkenazi and most of the rest is Scottish.
Something seems off about Schoenberg's results, the 7/8 Ashkenazi likely has something alien in it, pushing him south towards the Levant.
Either that or he is just on the low euro average for Ashkenazim...
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.12
2 North_Sea 16.89
3 West_Med 14.46
4 Atlantic 13
5 West_Asian 11.47
6 Red_Sea 6.34
7 Eastern_Euro 5.26
8 Baltic 4.47
9 Sub-Saharan 1.4
10 Amerindian 0.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 7.24
2 Ashkenazi 7.4
3 East_Sicilian 8.09
4 Central_Greek 8.2
5 Greek_Thessaly 8.54
6 West_Sicilian 8.64
7 Tuscan 9.96
8 South_Italian 10.22
9 Greek 11.02
10 Italian_Jewish 11.72
11 Sephardic_Jewish 13.27
12 Algerian_Jewish 13.83
13 Bulgarian 15.05
14 North_Italian 15.26
15 Romanian 15.79
16 Libyan_Jewish 16.7
17 Tunisian_Jewish 17.05
18 Serbian 17.64
19 Cyprian 19.77
20 Portuguese 21.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.4% Cyprian + 43.6% West_German @ 3.28
2 53% French + 47% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.37
3 64.4% Cyprian + 35.6% West_Norwegian @ 3.51
4 50.5% Samaritan + 49.5% West_German @ 3.67
5 63.5% Cyprian + 36.5% Norwegian @ 3.78
6 63.6% Cyprian + 36.4% Orcadian @ 3.85
7 50.8% West_German + 49.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.88
8 55.5% Samaritan + 44.5% Southwest_English @ 3.96
9 54.2% Lebanese_Christian + 45.8% Southwest_English @ 3.98
10 50.2% Lebanese_Christian + 49.8% South_Dutch @ 4.04
11 61.4% Cyprian + 38.6% Southwest_English @ 4.05
12 75.4% Italian_Jewish + 24.6% Norwegian @ 4.05
13 75.4% Italian_Jewish + 24.6% Swedish @ 4.05
14 76.2% Italian_Jewish + 23.8% West_Norwegian @ 4.06
15 53.3% French + 46.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.07
16 75.5% Italian_Jewish + 24.5% North_Swedish @ 4.08
17 51.7% French + 48.3% Samaritan @ 4.08
18 62.6% Cyprian + 37.4% North_Dutch @ 4.13
19 51.5% Samaritan + 48.5% South_Dutch @ 4.14
20 61.8% Cyprian + 38.2% Southeast_English @ 4.27

[Bobby Martnen]

Here is how I compare with Schoenberg's kid.
3/4 Ashkenazi and most of the rest is Scottish.

Did you figure out the ethnicity of your grandpa's dad?

[Bobby Martnen]

The Central European is barely detectable, he's a full Jew to me

That's very surprising. I thought the Central European would show up. I wonder why it doesn't?

What does he look like?