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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Unfortunately it's possible Torbesh average on K13 is made of only these 2 samples.
    it was made by me from these 2 and one of the Kaspias' samples.

    this is with the 4th sample from Kaspias added:

    Code:
    Torbesh,21.1075,16.9975,22.5875,11.12,23.6825,2.86,0,0.51,0.3625,0.5925,0.185,0,0

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    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    it was made by me from these 2 and one of the Kaspias' samples.

    this is with the 4th sample from Kaspias added:

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    Torbesh,21.1075,16.9975,22.5875,11.12,23.6825,2.86,0,0.51,0.3625,0.5925,0.185,0,0
    Better than nothing and good to have them in K13. They are small population so I think even such limited sample size is pretty okay.

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    So "Turks" are in fact Torbeshi (Macedonian Muslims)?:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centar...a_Municipality

    ^^^ Ethnic groups in the municipality include:

    Turks: 5,226 (80.2%)
    Macedonians: 814 (12.5%)
    Albanians: 454 (7.0%)
    others: 25 (0.4%)

    While this map claims it has Torbeshi majority:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Torbesija.png



    And here iis the other one:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasnica_Municipality

    Ethnic groups in the municipality:

    Turks = 4,446 (97.8%)
    Macedonians = 34 (0.7%)
    Others = 65 (1.4%)

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    Autosomally more like Albanians than like Turks though, except the one with Mong admixtures posted by Aspar.
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    No wonder. Such a small sample size is probably why they appear Albanian. We need a number of them from all over. That would probably change the average significantly. However if they're taken from the border region, more likely than not they're mixed heavily with Albanian. Either through marriage, assimilation or both. We need more to confirm if that remains the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    So "Turks" are in fact Torbeshi (Macedonian Muslims)?:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centar...a_Municipality

    ^^^ Ethnic groups in the municipality include:

    Turks: 5,226 (80.2%)
    Macedonians: 814 (12.5%)
    Albanians: 454 (7.0%)
    others: 25 (0.4%)

    While this map claims it has Torbeshi majority:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Torbesija.png



    And here iis the other one:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasnica_Municipality

    Ethnic groups in the municipality:

    Turks = 4,446 (97.8%)
    Macedonians = 34 (0.7%)
    Others = 65 (1.4%)

    =====

    Autosomally more like Albanians than like Turks though, except the one with Mong admixtures posted by Aspar.
    No, these are Balkan Turks who have a similar breakdown to Turk_Makedonya. Mixing happened frequently and some might prefer to identify as Turkish, but the majority should be under Macedonians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalenStark View Post
    No wonder. Such a small sample size is probably why they appear Albanian. We need a number of them from all over. That would probably change the average significantly. However if they're taken from the border region, more likely than not they're mixed heavily with Albanian. Either through marriage, assimilation or both. We need more to confirm if that remains the case.
    there are already 2 individuals with Baltic as low as 14, while Macedonians usually don't have below 17. That already means that the average is more southern than the Macedonian average. And Albanians and Macedonians are very similar to begin with, so naturally Torbesh will be very close to Albanians,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    there are already 2 individuals with Baltic as low as 14, while Macedonians usually don't have below 17. That already means that the average is more southern than the Macedonian average. And Albanians and Macedonians are very similar to begin with, so naturally Torbesh will be very close to Albanians,.
    What I find peculiar is that most Albanians score Torbeshi before the other Albanian averages. On top of this, Torbeshi average is closer to all Albanian averages moreso than other Albanians lol.

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