Gedmatch results of Torbeshi or Macedonian muslims

[Kelmendasi]

Very Albanian like. They plot with Albanians on the K15 PCA

[Kelmendasi]

Not really...
They extensively mixed with muslim Albanians, that's true, but to really find out what they are, we have to look at their Y-dna and MT-dna linages for which I don't have any informations.
Comparing them with two Orthodox Slavic Macedonians from the same region:

They seem to plot with Albanians on the K15 PCA, There is a Torbeshi sample from the Dibra area of Albania that belongs to J2b2-Y23094 and is within the Albanian clade which suggests Albanian paternal origin or Slavicization although we do need more samples to know for certain as one isn't enough for determining Ydna frequencies.

[Wrong]

Torbeshi were Albanians that were recently Slavicized by names and Musselmanized.

They shift west of FYROM-Slav population in general. This automatically makes them Albanian.

[Aspar]

For those who don't understand, let me explain to them...
Torbeshi shift to west doesn't mean that they are Albanians.
They speak Macedonian, not Albanian and I have put two Orthodox Macedonian results from the same region...
They are almost the same, only the first Torbesh one is a bit strange.

[Aspar]

Please post Eurogenes k36 too please

1.

Population
Amerindian 0.72
Arabian -
Armenian 1.48
Basque 3.88
Central_African -
Central_Euro 10.50
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.15
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 3.68
East_Med 4.89
Eastern_Euro 6.07
Fennoscandian 2.17
French 2.98
Iberian 9.60
Indo-Chinese 4.06
Italian 13.51
Malayan 1.11
Near_Eastern 2.45
North_African 0.21
North_Atlantic 4.94
North_Caucasian 1.93
North_Sea 11.88
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.62
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.66
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese 3.41
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.90
West_Med 4.13


2.

Population
Amerindian 0.24
Arabian -
Armenian 0.69
Basque 2.86
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.38
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.17
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.86
East_Med 11.89
Eastern_Euro 1.80
Fennoscandian -
French 2.51
Iberian 9.60
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 26.52
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.33
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 1.54
North_Sea 9.53
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.28
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.21
West_Med 5.60

[Aspar]

They seem to plot with Albanians on the K15 PCA, There is a Torbeshi sample from the Dibra area of Albania that belongs to J2b2-Y23094 and is within the Albanian clade which suggests Albanian paternal origin or Slavicization although we do need more samples to know for certain as one isn't enough for determining Ydna frequencies.

I guess they are mix bag as much as the other Macedonians.
There is no way I think those people are entirely J2b, EV13 or R1b.
They must have substantial amount of I2a1b and R1a as well...
Don't forget, they speak Slavic Macedonian, which means they were part of our ethnicity before their islamization.
However, since their islamization, they mixed with Albanians and that could make some of them to shift even more westwards than the rest of the population of the western part of the country.
If anything, any slavicazation which occured in these region, have occured long time ago, around the time of the first Bulgarian empire...

[Kelmendasi]

I guess they are mix beg as much as the other Macedonians.
There is no way I think those people are entirely J2b, EV13 or R1b.
They must have substantial amount of I2a1b and R1a as well...
Don't forget, they speak Slavic Macedonian, which means they were part of our ethnicity before their islamization.
However, since their islamization, they mixed with Albanians and that could make some of them to shift even more westwards than the rest of the population of the western part of the country.

Yh they probably have a large amount of I2a1b or R1a as they are currently Slavs and thus mix with Slavs but there origin is still a mystery I guess.

[Peterski]

Any other Torbeshi results?

[Jana]

Unfortunately it's possible Torbesh average on K13 is made of only these 2 samples.

[Kaspias]

Any other Torbeshi results?

Unfortunately it's possible Torbesh average on K13 is made of only these 2 samples.

Torbeshi average made by these two:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...om-N-Macedonia
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...om-N-Macedonia