Which is the more Germanic haplogroup - I1, R1a, or R1b?

**Kelmendasi** · 05-10-2018, 08:10 PM

https://indo-european.info/ie/Germanic

**Alstrohma** · 05-29-2018, 06:19 PM

So, r1b, r1a and I1 all are part of the Germanics?

**~~Ice~~** · 03-28-2019, 07:06 PM

I1

**Matxe92** · 03-28-2019, 07:25 PM

R1 didn't even originate in europe. So clearly it's I1.
R1 is a bigger haplogroup now tho.

**gıulıoımpa** · 03-28-2019, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Matxe92

R1 didn't even originate in europe. So clearly it's I1.
R1 is a bigger haplogroup now tho.

one has to remember germanics and italokelts (r1b) came from modern Ukraine being indoeuropeans. so i don't think the criterium of "being there first" would work very well in this case.

at the same time it is true that invaders never displace 100% natives.

**Matxe92** · 03-28-2019, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by gıulıoımpa

one has to remember germanics and italokelts (r1b) came from modern Ukraine being indoeuropeans. so i don't think the criterium of "being there first" would work very well in this case.

at the same time it is true that invaders never displace 100% natives.

I1 most likely originated in northern Germany / Jutland, which i consider to be the heart of germanics.
I think that point has some weight to it.

Isn't I1 the least spread european haplogroup also? It's almost exclusively found amongst germanics, and heavily amongst scandinavians. That's another point aswell.

**acerocl** · 07-04-2019, 11:47 AM

I dont think we can talk about a germanic haplogroup. Germany is in the middle of Europe so german people are one of the more mixed people in this continent. Just search on internet a genetic map of Europe. They are 45% R1b, 15% R1b, 15% I1, 6% I2, 6%E, 5%J2, 5%G, etc. This question makes sense in other countries more homogeneous genetically speaking like Ireland (r1b), Spain (r1b), Wales (r1b), Finnland (N). But Germany?