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Belive me: most of I-men here are more - you including.Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
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Your signature is literally a complaint about an I1 thread.
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Rethel did you vote on the thread?
I2a1 is then I1 then the rest
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R1b U106 (Western Germanic mutation) - Considered Proto-Germanic that came from the Steppes via Unetice Culture.
R1a- Z283 (Germany/Netherlands) and the Z284 (Scandinavian) Germanic mutations came from the Steppes via Corded Ware culture preceding u106 that is considered a subsidiary of the Balto-Slavic/Proto-Indo-European branch.
Thus, Germanic people are a hybrid between r1b and r1a.
I1 is simply native Scandinavian/ Norse via hunter-gatherers.
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- H.P. Lovecraft
I2a1 native to Europe, I1 too, R1b Celts, R1a Scyto-Sarmatians, R1b stole the name "German", from I people, R1a came later and real Germans went north and south to Scandinavia and Balkans, easy as that
note that Germans call themselves Deutsche, and Dutch people name is also similar and all those R1b came here via romanian Dacia (the same sounding)
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There is no relation between Dacia and deutsch. The etymology of deutsch and Dutch
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deutschFrom Middle High German diutisch, diutsch, tiutsch, tiusch, from Old High German diutisk, diutisc (“popular, vernacular”), from Proto-Germanic *þiudiskaz (“of the people, popular”), an adjective from Proto-Germanic *þeudō (“people”) (compare Old English þeod), from Proto-Indo-European *tewtéh₂. Compare Dutch Diets, Duits, Low German dütsch, düütsch. See also Dutch.
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No, becasue there is no relevant option.
I can't choose between two Rs, 1a and
1b, as both were equaly important.
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I1.
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You forgot R1a-L664 which also took part in the Germanic ethnos, Z283 seems more like a Balto-Slavic clade to me probably brought to the Germanics via Slavic contact. I2a2 clades seem to be Germanic as well although they were originally WHG and not IE
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