View Poll Results: Which is the proto-Germanic haplo?

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Thread: Which is the PROTO-Germanic haplogroup, R1a-L664 or I1?

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    R1b-U106: proto-germanic
    R1a-L664: para-germanic
    I2-M223: pre-germanic
    I1-Z58: pro-germanic

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    R1b-U106 is proto-Germanic.

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    I1? Depends on the clade, but R-L664 is germanic per se.

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    Saying that I1 ia proto-Germanic is like saying, that Q is proto-Yankee and B is proto-Dixie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Saying that I1 ia proto-Germanic is like saying, that Q is proto-Yankee and B is proto-Dixie...
    so what are you saying?

    Nordisch-Westisch or Westisch mit Nordische einschlag
    In other words: Atlantid type

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norb View Post
    so what are you saying?
    The proto-hg, can be only this which is compatible with identity-, language-, sometimes race-, or statehood bearers, so in this case it must be R1, or some of it's subclades. Haplogroups which were absorbed under way, cannot be counted, as it is in the case of I1. I1 is pre-, i.e. before IEs and Germanic, so can't be proto. Proto can be only these people who trace their lineage directly to the first IEs in Scandia, and further, to proto-proto-proto-IEs, as they bear the language, the identity, and in this case also the race, which is characteristic for newcomers, and not for aboriginals. Germanic people are Indoeuropeans, so R1. Speak indoeuropean, so R1. In addition look like Indoeuropeans, so another reason for R1 (but the look is not the determinator). Then, proto-Germanic are those subclades of R1, which originaly setteled as first in germanic homeland before Germanic dialect or identity arised i.e. I guess before any expantion from the germanic heimat took place.
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