Belarus Y-DNA

[Jana]

If you look at Y-DNA of Belarusians and compare it with autosomal DNA, you realize that Belarusians are basically Ukrainian men + Lithuanian women.

Looks plausible.

[Russki]

Looks plausible.

Ukrainian men + Finnish women would work for Russians.

Lithuanian men + Finnish women would work for Estonians.

[Slavic Italian]

It isn't rare, it's second most common haplogroup.

Yep. I was just comparing it to R1a percentage wise.

From the Rozhansky study (2013) (n=1088)

R1a - 50.7%
I2 - 18.5%
N - 10.4%
R1b - 5.7%
I1 - 5.6%
E1b1b - 4.1%
J2 - 2.2%
Other (G2a, J1, Q, T, etc.) - 2.8%

[Russki]

Looks plausible.

But, even if mixing WHG Lithuanians and ANE Finns will give you something similar to Estonians, it's a wrong thing to say, because as someone knowledged in Finnic history, I know that Finnic language was spoken in Estonia before it was spoken in Finland.

Estonians are the older, parent nation, and Finland is their daughter.

So I will avoid making these sensitive comparisons in the future.

[Leto]

But, even if mixing WHG Lithuanians and ANE Finns will give you something similar to Estonians, it's a wrong thing to say, because as someone knowledged in Finnic history, I know that Finnic language was spoken in Estonia before it was spoken in Finland.

Estonians are the older, parent nation, and Finland is their daughter.

So I will avoid making these sensitive comparisons in the future.

Excuse me for butting in for a second but is this not sensitive to you? Especially if you are "anti-Russophobic" as you told me.

Ukrainian men + Finnish women would work for Russians.

At least the Finns and the Estonians existed for hundreds of years as separate things before Ukraine and Belarus appeared on the map.
Of course unless you were talking in a purely genetic oracle sense which is fine by me.

[Russki]

Excuse me for butting in for a second but is this not sensitive to you?

It is, that's why I stepped back after speaking it out.



Estonians have a giant superiority complex, telling them that they are Finns + Lithuanians wouldn't make them happy.

Same with Russians.

[Leto]

It is, that's why I stepped back after speaking it out.



Estonians have a giant superiority complex, telling them that they are Finns + Lithuanians wouldn't make them happy.

Same with Russians.

I won't say anything about Estonians (although I don't think they are "half Finnish, half Lithuanian") but in our case that comparison is just a joke. Again, unless you are talking about Vahaduo type stuff which models me as quarter Tatar or 1/16 Selkup or whatever.
Maybe you're a self-hating liberal or something, I don't know you.

[Russki]

Maybe you're a self-hating liberal or something, I don't know you.

No, of course not.

Rus civilization started in Novgorod, so if anything, it's the Ukrainians who should be modeled as Russians + Romanians or whatever.


Let's forget about it.

[Leto]

No, of course not.

Rus civilization started in Novgorod, so if anything, it's the Ukrainians who should be modeled as Russians + Romanians or whatever.

And Kiev (матерь городов русских). The U thing started in the 19th century.

Let's forget about it.

Okay. I'm leaving, fellas. I just realized the OP was myself, so it's my thread.

[Slavic Italian]

They should call Z282 the Kievan Rus marker.