Whites and Israel

[Jägerstaffel]

It's very simple. Look at the ethnic makeup and surnames of nearly all the Western media and the wealth and clout of various Zionist lobbying/advocacy organizations in our countries. Decades of propaganda have associated Israel in so many Westerners' minds with Western interests and "kindred".

There are some other reasons for the pro-Israel bent. The alliance that certain Big Business/Corporate interests have made with Israel. The ideology of Christian Zionism, which owed much to Samuel Untermeyer's financial backing of an obscure American Protestant preacher named Scofield, while also drawing on the idea of the "chosen" people.

As for the other side, then the obsession comes from certain Cultural Marxist leftists who hate anything white and, in their warped mind, "Zionism is not Judaism" so rather than the Talmud they transfer their attack instead upon a false narrative of "white" Israelis vs. "brown" Palestinians. Ignoring the power of the Zionist lobbies, which they actually dismiss as "anti-Semitic", they instead claim that somehow Israel is "manipulated" to be "America's Outpost".

I reject both narratives and, although I have long been pro-Palestinian, now that I focus more on our Western/European issues, Semitic disputes don't concern me. I believe in complete non-intervention and not meddling, in concert with securing our borders and our own societies.

However, I should caution against the rising propaganda of certain right-wing Kahanist/Likudist Zionists that they're somehow "our" allies. They have an internal civil war with the more leftist Zionists, and both sides merely want to recruit us to serve their respective agenda. Even these hardcore right-wing Zionists who speak about "Aliyah" still believe in lording claims of "anti-Semitism" against us and in seeing our societies' foreign policies continue to be subverted for Israel's interests.

So NO Zionist can ever be an ally of a self-respecting national-minded European/Westerner, as theirs is the mindset that took undue dominance within our societies in the first place to our detriment.

Well said.

For my own part, I absolutely will not take a side in Israel's conflicts with her neighbors. Israel has NOT been a good ally to us (quite the opposite) and our interests are not being served by continuing to support one side over the other. We are too deeply entrenched with them for this to be anything other than a messy divorce but it ultimately will have to happen.

[Marinus]

They might be a powerful lobby group but there is lots and lots of leftist anti Israel politicians in the USA. And that includes some Jews.

Yes, but wouldn't you say that even with all the leftist love for Islam & Palestine etc... the narrative by blatant leftist media outlets such CNN, NYT, WP and others always end up favouring Israel, even if at face value they appear to be against Israeli policy? For example, they push for hostilities with Russia and Iran, the regional powers that check Israel, they insestantly push for regime change in Syria, again strengthening Israel, they were in favour of Lybia, Iraq they censor Saudi Arabia's crimes in Yemen, which is pro Iran etc...

[KMack]

Yes, but wouldn't you say that even with all the leftist love for Islam & Palestine etc... the narrative by blatant leftist media outlets such CNN, NYT, WP and others always end up favouring Israel, even if at face value they appear to be against Israeli policy? For example, they push for hostilities with Russia and Iran, the regional powers that check Israel, they insestantly push for regime change in Syria, again strengthening Israel, they were in favour of Lybia, Iraq they censor Saudi Arabia's crimes in Yemen, which is pro Iran etc...

Only because Trump got elected and he is against this. Trump could shit in a gold toilet and the MSM would say use a silver toilet. Trump could say the USA should invade all of these countries, including Israel, and the MSM would say he is crazy blah blah blah.

[Marinus]

Only because Trump got elected and he is against this. Trump could shit in a gold toilet and the MSM would say use a silver toilet. Trump could say the USA should invade all of these countries, including Israel, and the MSM would say he is crazy blah blah blah.

Wasn't the MSM always pro intervention in the Middle East, conveniently helping Israel even before Trump though?

I was way too young to know the political climate on Iraq and Afghanistan, I could be just misinterpreting things.

[KMack]

Wasn't the MSM always pro intervention in the Middle East, conveniently helping Israel even before Trump though?

I was way too young to know the political climate on Iraq and Afghanistan, I could be just misinterpreting things.

If there is a GOP President they are against anything he does. The MSM and Democrats are now pro intervention, pro war, pro regime change because Trump is not. Also you have to know that the CIA has always meddled into American Broadcasting news networks. Everything the left was against in the counter culture 60's they are now for.

[Marinus]

If there is a GOP President they are against anything he does. The MSM and Democrats are now pro intervention, pro war, pro regime change because Trump is not. Also you have to know that the CIA has always meddled into American Broadcasting news networks. Everything the left was against in the counter culture 60's they are now for.

I see, left went full circle.

[KMack]

I see, left went full circle.

Yes. Look at Hillary Clinton donor list and where she did her private speeches, and who paid her. She, like Obama, is nothing more that a CIA Defense Contractor Military Industrial Complex stooges. Is the USA still allied with Saudis and Israel, sure, and of course Canada, UK, France yeah.

[Dragoon]

They might be a powerful lobby group but there is lots and lots of leftist anti Israel politicians in the USA. And that includes some Jews.

AntiIsrael politicians in the congress and senate in recent times? Never heard of them. Ron Paul (the closest to being "antiIsrael") was accused of antisemitism and some other crap. The mainstream media and lobbies crushed him.
Chuck Hagel (think it was) was interogated and shamed for not being pro Israel enough.

Most Liberal and "Conservative" (aka Neocon) Jews will support Israel. Conservative Jews like Gottfried are tiny in number. He talked about Neocons alot. Also a minority of Torah only Jews make occasional protests against Zionism in the big cities.

The so called left wing (aka New Left, or Old Left) both regardless of who will criticize Israel, but little else. They are minority, though vocal.
Outside of the older types, they seem to have become really quiet on antiwar issues. Now its all about LBGT and bashing everyone of being fascist.

[Armenian Bishop]

Much of it stems from its Biblical location. The same goes for all of Israel's neighbors: Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt all are geographically in a Biblical location, as are Israel and the territories of Palestine. Yes, it does matter that the Hebrews have been defined as God's Chosen People. Jerusalem's legacy is interwoven into thousands of years of religion, literature, art, music, history and politics.

[KMack]

AntiIsrael politicians in the congress and senate in recent times? Never heard of them. Ron Paul (the closest to being "antiIsrael") was accused of antisemitism and some other crap. The mainstream media and lobbies crushed him.
There was another guy who was interrrogated by the Republicans under Obama, for not being pro Israel enough. (He was Catholic or Episcopical afaik).

Most Liberal and "Conservative" (aka Neocon) Jews will support Israel. Conservative Jews like Gottfried are tiny in number. He talked about Neocons alot. Also a minority of Torah only Jews make occasional protests against Zionism in the big cities.

The so called left wing (aka New Left, or Old Left) both regardless of who will criticize Israel, but little else. They are minority, though vocal.

Being critical of Israel is not a big political needle mover, nor praising Israel.....in the USA. It makes the list but further down the list.