Does modern-day prudery derive more from feminism or social/religious conservatism?

[Ayetooey]

Since social conservatism and religion is dead in most of the west, the answer is feminism. Most of the people against ring girls or porn mags for example are feminists not Christians or Muslims.

[Tooting Carmen]

One thing I will say is that the notion that it is mostly the wretched and the poor who are attracted to Islamism (or indeed other illiberal ideologies like Communism and Fascism) is a terrible myth. Many if not most converts and believers in illiberal ideologies, whether secular or religious, are middle-class intellectuals who feel unhappy and out-of-place in a society dominated by consumerism.

As someone who vehemently opposes Pinochet's regime myself, I was struck watching a film documentary some years ago about people persecuted by it - Pinochet's opponents were at least equally bourgeois as his supporters! In other words, many if not most of the victims were not downtrodden peasants or trade unionists, but middle-class intellectuals and artists who fell in love with the romanticism of Allende's socialism.

[Tooting Carmen]

Since social conservatism and religion is dead in most of the west, the answer is feminism. Most of the people against ring girls or porn mags for example are feminists not Christians or Muslims.

Even in the Bible Belt? But anyway, what's your own take on these issues?

[Ayetooey]

Even in the Bible Belt? But anyway, what's your own take on these issues?

Bible Belt doesn’t have much influence in the MSM or university society like feminists do. I ironically agree with the feminists on many of these issues but for completely different reasons. I oppose sex positive feminists of course.

[Andullero]

As someone who vehemently opposes Pinochet's regime myself, I was struck watching a film documentary some years ago about people persecuted by it - Pinochet's opponents were at least equally bourgeois as his supporters! In other words, many if not most of the victims were not downtrodden peasants or trade unionists, but middle-class intellectuals and artists who fell in love with the romanticism of Allende's socialism.

As far as the revolution goes on the archipielago, only in Cuba the conditions were met about having an extensive, class-conscious middle class with the intellectual werewithal to get enamored with the ideals and carry them forward, cuz in Haiti and Santo Domingo the peasants had a stake in the survival of the respective regimes, so they were in the first to sell out the insurgents (and in the Haitian case, even machete-ed) when the Cuban inspired expedition came to attempt the planting of said experience on this island. And of the situation in Jamaica and PR it is superfluous to speak about since the question of property was (and in the case of PR, still is) secondary to the question of colonial rule vs independence.

[Tooting Carmen]

As far as the revolution goes on the archipielago, only in Cuba the conditions were met about having an extensive, class-conscious middle class with the intellectual werewithal to get enamored with the ideals and carry them forward, cuz in Haiti and Santo Domingo the peasants had a stake in the survival of the respective regimes, so they were in the first to sell out the insurgents (and in the Haitian case, even machete-ed) when the Cuban inspired expedition came to attempt the planting of said experience on this island. And of the situation in Jamaica and PR it is superfluous to speak about since the question of property was (and in the case of PR, still is) secondary to the question of colonial rule vs independence.

Not that I wish to go too off-topic, but what value did peasants see in the likes of Trujillo or Papa Doc?

[Andullero]

Not that I wish to go too off-topic, but what value did peasants see in the likes of Trujillo or Papa Doc?

On the former because he broke some of the existing latifundia holdings in their stead (specially in the northeast), a process that would only increase with Balaguer and his agrarian reform. As for Papa Doc, something as simple as him being black like them and not from the hated mulatto elite in Port-Au-Prince, which had enjoyed a brief return to political power under Yankee auspices during the occupation of the island.

[axel.aleman]

Feminism obviously

Progressive are much more authoritarian than conservatives when imposing their vision of morality

[axel.aleman]

On the former because he broke some of the existing latifundia holdings in their stead (specially in the northeast), a process that would only increase with Balaguer and his agrarian reform. As for Papa Doc, something as simple as him being black like them and not from the hated mulatto elite in Port-Au-Prince, which had enjoyed a brief return to political power under Yankee auspices during the occupation of the island.

Papa Doc was an necessary evil for Haiti?

[Andullero]

Papa Doc was an necessary evil for Haiti?

Not really, they had more or less a functional democracy (incredible as it sounds) and even had two black presidents before him (Dumarsais Estimé and Paul Magloire), it is just that he made the necessary populist political work building his powerbase in the countryside (he was one of those medics trained by the marines after all) and the peasantry were fond of him because of that. Part of that populist work was stirring up color hatred and politics again of course, which were a traditional staple of that country ever since independence.