Were Celts once 30-40% of Europe's population?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes it was. Elite Hallstatt sample belonged to G2a haplogroup.https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...esslich-et-al)

Petetski wrote that branch he has was found in this sample also. There's a thread about it somewhere. No group had only one marker.

It would be very minority though. The majority of present Celtic speakers are nearly all R1b so it obviously didn't spread much.

Here's a map of G.

[CommonSense]

The Hallstatt sample is R1b-U152 and most Celts were some form of R1b like Bell Beakers. I'm not arguing but I never heard that G was Celtic. If you have info I'd be interested or anyone else. I don't even think there is any G in Ireland but Ireland was populated by R1b-L21 Bell Beakers.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

Most of the results are from Central and Western Europe. The original carriers of this haplogroup were most likely a pre-Indoeuropean group like the Rhaetians who were celticised and later participated in the spread of the Hallstatt-La Tene culture throughout Europe. It's still an uncommon haplo overall, but I see no other explanation for the way it's spread out.

[Token]

The Hallstatt sample is R1b-U152 and most Celts were some form of R1b like Bell Beakers. I'm not arguing but I never heard that G was Celtic. If you have info I'd be interested or anyone else. I don't even think there is any G in Ireland but Ireland was populated by R1b-L21 Bell Beakers.

One Hallstatt sample from Mitterkirchen, Austria matches with G-L497. It is a typically Alpine clade and quite rare elsewhere, so it might have been present among early Celts at some level. However, we have one sample from Vinca culture with L497, which might be the source of most L497 among modern-day Serbs.

5320-5080 calBCE (6264±34 BP) Vinca_MN Szederkény-Kukorica-dülö Hungary 45,5969 18,28247 M K2a G2a2b2a1a

[Grace O'Malley]

Thank you both. That's really interesting. You learn something new everyday.

[CommonSense]

One Hallstatt sample from Mitterkirchen, Austria matches with G-L497. It is a typically Alpine clade and quite rare elsewhere, so it might have been present among early Celts at some level. However, we have one sample from Vinca culture with L497, which might be the source of most L497 among modern-day Serbs.

5320-5080 calBCE (6264±34 BP) Vinca_MN Szederkény-Kukorica-dülö Hungary 45,5969 18,28247 M K2a G2a2b2a1a

If that were the case, our clade would be one of the older ones in Europe and the progenitor of the ones in Austria, Germany, France, etc. but it's the other way around.

[Peterski]

I find difficult that these tribes were all the same people

Why? All Slavs for example do share some common ancestry (of course, they also have local Non-Slavic admixtures).

And their expansion was perhaps even more unbelievable (vast range, and happened quickly) than Celtic expansions.

[War Chef]

You're not taking into consideration that Caesars conquest of Gaul was a genocide - millions at that time depopulated large areas of Gaul + Germanic tribes weren't too kind to those who they conquered either = Celtic numbers reduced greatly, ofc some of that was assimilation, but a lot of it was just murder.

I think Celtic mtdna remains.

A better question to ask is:

Is there more Scythian blood left on the planet or Celtic?